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Old 06-16-2007, 01:50 PM   #16
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I'm a mediocre and slow-learning student of Linux
Welcome my brother.

Just because 9 out of 10 people always say not to try Slackware if you're a newbie, I'll be #10 and say that, while my first install was an ancient problematic rpm-based distro on an ancient and problematic computer, which I wiped after a month or so, I then played with random distros on a couple of old computers until I went through Basic and Vector to Zipslack and finally, to a full Slackware on a modern(ish) computer, where I finally (5-6 months) got down to using Slackware as my primary system and really learning it. So I consider myself someone who 'tried Slackware as a newbie' and actually spent most of my time with *less* 'user-friendly' distros before that. If you have time, patience, a willingness to read, and a desire to learn, I wouldn't be worried about a newbie/Slackware combo. Given that one your followups is with a reading list, that part sounds good.

That said, I can relate to Gethyn's well-stated and non-flamebaitey post. I've been running -current for a long time and I don't use KDE or its apps (just fvwm 2.5.x and mostly-GTK2 apps) which magnifies the maintenance efforts - I've automated the official updates with some scripts which work fine, but compile dozens of packages myself and, while those are also automated with SlackBuilds, it's still not hitting 'uUgg' in aptitude and having the whole system (which I've hand picked from a bare-minimum) updated. I've been happily using Debian for almost 2 months now but will probably switch back when 12 comes out and quit tracking -current and see how that goes. So I doubt I'll be one of the few who "don't go back" but Gethyn's right in that it's an overstatement to say *no one* ever quits using Slack.
 
Old 06-16-2007, 02:21 PM   #17
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What's the best way to get the taste of Slack? I've a PII with 2.5 GB HDD here. Shall I download the first CD of Slackware 11?
 
Old 06-16-2007, 02:29 PM   #18
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What's the best way to get the taste of Slack? I've a PII with 2.5 GB HDD here. Shall I download the first CD of Slackware 11?
yes the first CD of Slackware-11 will do, however if you want TeTex & KDE it is on the second CD, or if you do not need KDE you can get an official TeTex package from a Slackware mirror so you don't have to download the second CD/ISO...

http://www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA
 
Old 06-16-2007, 02:31 PM   #19
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Thanks, no KDE or X whatsoever. Downloading ...
 
Old 06-17-2007, 01:44 AM   #20
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Just to point out that although some distros eg FC come with GUIs, there's absolutely nothing to stop you from opening an xterm and using the cmd line if you want.
eg I use the cmd line on Unix/Linux at work, but there are some things I need to do eg email, that are just easier via a GUI eg T-Bird.
 
Old 06-17-2007, 05:17 AM   #21
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I understand that some people prefer the hands-on approach, but is it really worth the while? I mean if you must update your software regularly for each package, looking over the dependencies all the while, wouldn't it be just a waste of effort?
You can automate the package updating process by using swaret with cron.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...group_id=88501
 
Old 06-17-2007, 10:52 AM   #22
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I managed to break my system several times with swaret! Maybe it's improved in the last year or so, but I advise caution in its use!
 
Old 06-17-2007, 11:47 AM   #23
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I managed to break my system several times with swaret!
agrees with Gethyn, and suggests slapt-get instead...

http://software.jaos.org/
 
Old 06-17-2007, 01:52 PM   #24
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Thanks everyone.
This thread is turned out to be very helpful!
I think I'll ask more questions on linuxquestions from now on.

to roughly sum up this thread up to this point..

Slackware keeps things simple and customized so it does what exactly the users needs and does it quickly. Also, using Slackware helps you gain a better understanding of Linux, and this knowledge will help even more when you are studying other sorts of programming.(As for managing packages, it is not as time-consuming as one might think.)

BUT, there is SOME disadvantage in using Slackware, other than requiring more thinking + work. (like being unable to use unsupported new Xorg as mentioned above).

And here are some helpful docs that you recommended:
http://slackbook.org/
http://www.slackbasics.org/
http://www.slackersbible.org/
http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz

(and package tools :
swaret http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...group_id=88501
slapt-get http://software.jaos.org/)

Personally, I've made up my mind to use Slackware as soon as I gain some confidence with my current FC6.

Last edited by imnah; 06-17-2007 at 02:08 PM.
 
Old 06-18-2007, 03:55 AM   #25
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I managed to break my system several times with swaret! Maybe it's improved in the last year or so, but I advise caution in its use!
Version 1.6.3 has better dependency checks in place. They also fixed problems in the rollback feature.
I've been running it on all my Slackware servers for over a year without issue.
 
  


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