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Old 07-01-2003, 03:07 AM   #1
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Red face Booting and modem issues


OK, so maybe I need training wheels....
Possibly a few too many probs to list in one thread, but I'm sure the administrator will point me in the right direction if necessary.

Long Story Short...
Win 98, installed Vcom System Commander 7 to allow me to have a multi-bootable system, shiny new Redhat 9 box, desperate to get away from the domination of windows.

Linux installed, looks lovely (haven't got a clue how to make it do anything yet though!), but from power on the SC7 screen it offers 2 links to my Win98 setup (GUI and Prompt) and 2 for Linux as well.
The 2 Win98 links only give a 'Hidden Sectors Checksum Error' and now will not load and the 2 Linux options give a not bootable error. I can only get Linux to boot from a boot diskette. OK, this loads fine, but it wasn't what I had hoped for.

Further Probs...
I had hoped, that once I become familiar with the applications Redhat could offer me, I could ditch Windows altogether, but I now realise that I am in a very new environment and no longer have to rely on what is spoon-fed to me. OK... I will buy a book, but right now I need some hand-holding.
Only thing I have tried to do so far, is to configure my modem (Broadband coming this way soon... we have running water though!), so I can at least use the internet and email. Configured all fields and then activated, but don't get how I am supposed to connect. To cap it all, last time I turned off, I checked the 'save settings' box and now it won't boot, as it gets to 'interface ppp0' and then nothing happens as it searches for something I guess that it can't find.

So, here I am, at work 'cos I can boot nothing atm at home. Soz... not so short after all. Any advice/help/therapy/linuxlove gratefully accepted.

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Old 07-01-2003, 07:42 AM   #2
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I had hoped, that once I become familiar with the applications Redhat could offer me, I could ditch Windows altogether, but I now realise that I am in a very new environment
Then you are ready to learn everything else you need to know. It is surprising how many people never figure this out.

EDIT:Temp web link deleted.

Good Luck.

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Old 07-01-2003, 07:55 AM   #3
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Thanks for your help... will try it out asap.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 10:26 AM   #4
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Just a quickie.... managed to carry out what you suggested, but before I go home to try it (in case I can't get internet access this evening!) I wanted to check the files that it had written.

boot-menu.b (8kb)
lilo.conf (1kb)
map (7kb)

Just suspicious that perhaps it should have written more? I'm sure the Redhat bootdisk.img wrote a whole heap of stuff.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 02:09 PM   #5
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Hello kaine,

I am not sure how much help I can be but I will try with what I know.

First, how long have you waited with the system looking for ppp0? It should eventually timeout and continue loading. If not, you should be able to use your RH disk as a repair disk and gain access to your drives. I am not sure what you would need to edit to remove the ppp0 from boot up.

Second, you need to check and see if your modem is supported. If it is a winmodem there is a chance it is not. Check out www.linmodems.org. As for dialing in, I would recommend using something like kppp. It is a simple dialup program. You can also use wvdial or a number of others. You could also just use scripts in your /etc/ppp/ dir. There are a lot of choices.

For help, check out the linux doc project at www.tldp.org. There are a lot of how-tos for ppp, modems, and tons of other things. Also feel free to post here!

Last, I am not sure how to remove SystemCommander, but LILO or Grub should be all you need to do a dual boot between Linux and MS. If you can find someone that can help you get SC off and lilo on it should help you get things up again.

Sorry I can't be more help. I hope things get a little easier for you. I have been doing this a while and although my system is fully usable, I keep finding new toys I don't know about and getting myself back into trouble. That is the fun of Linux!!

Best of luck,

PhilD
 
Old 07-01-2003, 03:36 PM   #6
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Thanks Phil.
Decided to jump right in... cleaned up, fresh install of RH9 only.
Figured kPPP was easiest to sort out... just got to fathom my modem and then find a new ISP (sorry sir, we can't help with that OS), but I'll get there.

 
Old 07-01-2003, 07:54 PM   #7
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perhaps it should have written more?
Nope.
It is just the basic needed to put Lilo onto the floppy.
All it does when you boot it is give you a prompt to boot Windows.
(And hopefully boots it).

Hope your Red Hat reinstall cleard things up.
 
Old 07-02-2003, 10:15 AM   #8
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kaine,

I know that most, if not all, ISPs refuse to support linux. However, you should be able to dial into any ISP with linux that you can with dialup networking in Win. Unless the ISP requires their own software to connect, you should be okay. I have also found that I can get more information out of them if I ask for information and leave out the opsys. I just called mine up and asked what type of auth they used, they did some digging and told me PAP without ever asking what OS I was on.

Well, best of luck!! I hope you get connected soon!

PhilD
 
Old 07-02-2003, 12:22 PM   #9
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Originally posted by kaine
just got to fathom my modem and then find a new ISP (sorry sir, we can't help with that OS), but I'll get there.

From my last conversation with my isp:

me: I am setting up an E-mail client and I just need the name of your mail server
them: OK, sir. Why don't I walk you through that. What OS are you using.
me: RedHat Linux 8.0.
them: *long pause* OK sir, click on the start button.
me: Just give me the name of the mail server, huh?



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Old 07-02-2003, 08:00 PM   #10
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See if you can locate a help page on your ISP's website that talks about setting up a DUN connection in Windows. You can probably find links to pop, smtp, and DNS servers there. The smtp, and pop can usually be found in how to manually set up your email, somewhere.
If you pretend that you are using Outlook Express you just have to stay with them as they read their script until they give you the manual mail settings.
If you tell them you use Linux, they assume you are insane and continue to read their script.
 
Old 07-03-2003, 01:56 AM   #11
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Hey 2DC,

Sure, I have all (I think) the relevant info reqd
- Primary DNS Address
- Secondary DNS Address
- Server IP Address
+ My own account username etc....

Just my modem thats giving me a headache atm. I have me a heap of URLS, scraps of paper etc., but still a wee bit 'out there'.
My Zoom v92 (agere 1648C Chipset) is I have found, an LTWinmodem, and appears from the wealth of info out there to be useable. Following the advice of one particular site I need to get me a driver from here

http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/...redhat/8.26a9/

but which one to match my system. Am I correct in thinking it has to suit my kernel?
I have tried running some commands in the prompt (run program prompt off of pop up menu) to find out about my kernel, but nothing happens. Sorry guys, bit of a Numpty I know... my 'Official Guide' should arrive today from amazon so I should be a little better informed later.

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Old 07-03-2003, 02:20 AM   #12
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If this is the website I would suggest going to this part of the particular Website

Then open a console and type uname -r this will give you the Kernel version you are using and just download the rpm that matches your Kernel.

Then you would just issue rpm -ihv ltmodem-kv*

Hope this helps to get your modem working.

Good Luck
 
Old 07-03-2003, 02:30 AM   #13
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Hey Jay.

Yeah, did that, uname -r I mean, and nothing happens. Now there's every chance I'm not using the right place to type that. I used the Run Program option from the Menu, and a small prompt is offered, with a drop down of progs and a check box for terminal, that right?

I type that, hit enter and... nothing. The box disappears. If I check the Terminal box, tha only difference is that a DOS type box flashes onto the screen for about a millisecond and... nothing.

 
Old 07-03-2003, 02:43 AM   #14
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Ok, you should be able to find under your menu go to :

System Tools ---> Terminal now you will have something that comes up as a DOS box, this is called the Virtual Console.

Now at the prompt type in the command uname -r now you should see your Kernel come up.

Something like 2.4.18-x-x this is your current kernel that you are using. Typing the command in Run would of completed the command but then just disappear before you can read it.

Let me know how it goes
 
Old 07-03-2003, 02:45 AM   #15
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Ace!

Figured I was in the wrong place...
Thanks loads Jay.

Kaine

 
  


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