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Old 07-29-2004, 12:11 AM   #16
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okay. it gets a bit complicated here... linux native games will usually go into / tho you can put them where you want. windows games under cedega will usually go in /home... so it depends on what you want to do and play I guess. linux UT2004 eg would normally go in / and it's big.

maybe a big / would be better for you.. Not sure... a couple of options.

/swap 512 swap
/ 10gig ext3
/home 8gig ext3
/share 2 gig fat32

or

/swap 512 swap
/ 18gig ext3
/share 2 gig fat32
 
Old 07-29-2004, 12:23 AM   #17
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Well, I will be keeping my Windows system, so if all fails, I will be able to play the game on windows.

I see that you recommend ext 3 systems......what is the difference between going with that, or th other linux ones? And what do I do if I decide to delete a partition?
 
Old 07-29-2004, 12:39 AM   #18
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ext3 is currently the defacto standard. Nothing wrong with reiser, xfs, jfs, etc... But ext3 is good. It's also back and foreward compatible with ext2 should things go wrong.

You can delete the partions and turn it back into a big 20gig fat32 D: drive or whatever. Not sure what you mean.

Drivers... always a hassle. video is cool if you have nvidia. more trouble with ati. The nvidia will work 2D out of the box but you will need to d/l the nvidia binary driver for 3D accelleration.

Mousies generally work tho some can take some tweaking. Keyboards I don't know as I use basic ones
 
Old 07-29-2004, 01:01 AM   #19
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Quote:
Originally posted by amosf
You can delete the partions and turn it back into a big 20gig fat32 D: drive or whatever. Not sure what you mean.

Drivers... always a hassle. video is cool if you have nvidia. more trouble with ati. The nvidia will work 2D out of the box but you will need to d/l the nvidia binary driver for 3D accelleration.
Well, what I mean by deleting the partitions, is that if I decide that I don't like linux or something, will I be able to delete the partition, or am I stuck with the partitions, I dont really want to have windows and then 3 or four est 2 patitions that I can't use. But you said I can turn it into 1 big FAT partition.........is it possible to completely delete the partitions so that I juat have Windows running on an NTFS without any partitions?

As for video card..........of course I have ATI, why would I have Nvidia, since that would make things easier . I was looking around the ATI website and they have drivers for my card (9600 pro). Will there be some kind of major tweaking involved, because I would have NO idea where to start with that.

Oh, and again, how would I make the FAT partition for sharing files between windows and linux, when you can only make the linux specific ones? Do I have to use the windows partition tool, and if so, where is a place for a good description on how to do that?


Again, thank you guys for all of your help, and sorry for all the stupid n00b questions.......Im just a little worried to be leaving my sheltered windows existence.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 02:04 AM   #20
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.....anyone?
 
Old 07-29-2004, 02:36 AM   #21
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Sorry mate. Been busy trying to get things straight to swap out a 20 gig drive in my system and swap in an 80 gig... Got all my main stuff on the 40 gig now, so I'm about ready to get into the hardware

If you rmove linux you can pretty much do what you want. Either have a 20 gig ntfs, or resize the C: drive back up to 40 gig... Not really a problem these days... Now back in the old days it was different

ATI works. Plenty of people use ATI... just nvidia is easier (tho not totally easy) and seems to be a bit more problem free and I know nvidia. The ATI will work tho. Probably quite well. It should work in 2D out of the box and the only tweaking will be getting the 3D driver going.

You can make all the partitions using the linux partition tool during the install - including the 2 gig (or whatever) fat32 one... Use the manual partition tool when installing and set the partitions up how you want and just label that one as fat32. Best to make it the first one after the main 20 gig C: drive!!! then swap, then / and then /home if you want it. if you don't make a /home partition, it will just be included in the / partition - no problem.

So you can create all the partitions there and amybe even format the 2 gig share dirve... if not there you can format in later in either linux or windows... in linux you do something like

mkfs.vfat /dev/hda5

or whatever depending on what partition it ends up being... You couldd also format in in windows. It will be the D: drive. Make sure you format in fat32 not ntfs...

Anyway, the install may format it for you. not sure on that one...

Anyway, I'll be off a while swapping drives and stuff, but will be arround later... Tho I'm in Oz... not sure your timezone.

seeya
 
Old 07-29-2004, 03:18 AM   #22
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Yea, I live in the USA and it is 3:15 am here, so I think I am gong to wait until tomorrow morning to install. So like I said, after I'm done I'll let you guys know how it went.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 04:07 AM   #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by Enfer Singe
Oh, ok, but dont I need to make a FAT32 partition if I want to share files between Windows and Linux?
that would be a GREAT way of reliably sharing files betwen windows and linux...


Quote:
Do I have to use the windows partitioning tool to do this?
not really, the mandrake tool can do this...


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Also, btw, what will happen with installing video card drivers and things like that?
your distributon will try to automatically install as much of your hardware as it possibly can using it's open-source drivers...

in the case of a video card, for example, you'll probably get almost fully functioning video immediately after installing mandrake (although without 3d hardware acceleration)... you'll also be able to install the propietary drivers if you want... nvidia and ati both provide linux drivers... and that way you'll have 3d hardware accelaration and the works...


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I am using the Logitech MX duo as my keyboard and mouse, so will I need to install the software that came with them or something?
everything should be fine... you won't need to touch the software that came with those...




[EDIT]

sorry about my "retro" post, i was lost on page one of this thread...

i just saw all the posts above... LOL... sorry...


=)


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Old 07-29-2004, 01:54 PM   #24
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NP win32, I can use all the help I can get.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 03:36 PM   #25
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Ok, I am sorry for the double post, but I wanted to bump this up. I have just installed Mandrake 10, and I am very happy with it, but still have a few questions. I have done some basic stuff such as that I tried the gimp, played tux racer (which btw with out the 3d software for my graphics card is extremely laggy) and played breakout. Anyway, for the questions:

When I installed linux, there was a partition section of the install that asked if I wanted to resize my windows partition, erase entire disk, or do a manual partition. I chose to resize the windows partition, which then led me to a screen that asked how large I wanted the windows partition to be. There was not a huge difference between the largest and the smallest, but I wanted to make sure that I had enough room to do stuff on linux. I chose almost the lowest amount of space for windows (which was still a lot) Anyway, after the install, before I even went into linux, I booted windows, and looked at the C: drive info. It said it was 110 GB......from the original 114......so I's assuming that I only have 4gb of space for linux. Also, with the partitioning, I was a little scared to do the manual partition because of the fact that is is for "advanced" users, which I am not. I have never partitioned a hd, and wanted to make it easy on myself. So anyway, I am assuming that because I did not select that option that it did not give me the choice of different partition styles or whatever, like /, /home and stuff like that. So from what I guess (Which is most likely wrong), I have a 4gb / partition where linux is.

Ok, now, what makes me not believe that I only have 1 4gb partition is that when the boot loader comes up, I can select windows and linux, but then also, about 4-5 other things. One of them is something like linux-fsb or close to that. What are these? I am just getting a little nervous, because there was this warning about irreversible partitioning, and I am a little scared that I screwed it up and wont be able to do anything about it.

Another note is that whenever I am on line, I am on my windows OS because I am still using AOL . So I guess if I cannot figure out how to make a FAT partition for windows and linux to share I will have to download stuff on windows, put it on a disk and then load it in linux.......why must my parents be 10 years behind everyone else??

Anyway, again, thank you for all the help, and I will now happily add Mandrake 10.0 to my list of distributions.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 03:59 PM   #26
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Just as a note, you can see how much drive space you have with the "df" program on the command line try running "df -h" which will show the results in MB.

BTW did you remember to defrag your Windows drive? If not, that might've been why Mandrake was unwilling to shrink it much. Windows filesystems sometimes keep stuff towards the end of the free space if not defragmented.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 06:00 PM   #27
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Did we forget to mention the defrag... Dang... You might not have been able to resize the windows drive any smaller as it may have been using that space in windows and linux would try not to lose any windows info... This is not a big deal really and there are still lots of options.

open a console and give us the results of a

df

that will help. You can later try defraging the C: drive in windows and then see if you can use a linux partition tool to resize it more. The options after that could be a reinstall, or we could just create new partitions and add them to linux. The posibilities are fairly open. I've just shifted about 40 gig of OS on my box to a new drive without a reinstall If we you are able to resize the windows partition later, then you will have options, but some may seem a bit tricky, so play with what you have for a little while first

The boot up options are like safe modes and stuff. Nothing much to worry over there. Sometimes you can have trouble with frame buffer and the fancy start up graphic screens, so you go to non-fb to use ordinary text screens, etc...

You can also get an app called explore2fs which will let you read the files on the linux drive from windows. This may help in the short term. Don't use it to write to the linux drive as it can have problems there sometimes.

A binary graphics driver will fix the video, of course... But later maybe
 
Old 07-29-2004, 06:12 PM   #28
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No, I defraged, did a scandisk, I even did a virus scan, rand ad-aware and spybot S&D..... They only thing I didnt do was to run chkdsk. Could that have made a difference? Given my limited Linux abilities, I have found /, and /home...........so if that means anything. Like I said, I am still running aol, so I am on windows right now, but I will restart to linux real quick and tell you what I find.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 06:36 PM   #29
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here is what I get when I do df:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/tartget0/lun0/part5
2.1G 1.3G 703M 66% /
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/tartget0/lun0/part7
1.4G 38M 1.4G 3% /home
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/tartget0/lun0/part1
111G 47G 65G 43% /mnt/windows

Edit: OK, the forums are taking away the spacing, but for the first one it goes:

Filesystem:
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/tartget0/lun0/part5

Size:
2.1G

Used:
1.3G

Avail:
703M

Use%:
66%

Mounted:
/

Last edited by Enfer Singe; 07-29-2004 at 06:40 PM.
 
Old 07-29-2004, 07:05 PM   #30
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You should have run chkdsk to be safe, yes, but it should not really have made any difference I don't think... windows may have had some unmoveable data up the high end maybe... Or the linux resizer didn't pick up the useage right... Not to worry. looks like you have a working system with a 2 gig / and 1.4 gig /home, which is okay for an trial run If linux won't resize properly, maybe you can aquire partition magic somewhere to do the job and do a reinstall sometime.
 
  


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