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Old 01-23-2011, 08:13 PM   #1
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Noob video problems - driver upgrade & gen help tshooting


I am a newbie trying to solve some video issues and I don't quite know where to look to get the answers I need. I have been doing a bunch of Internet searches, but I guess I can't seem to find the right search string.

Running openSuse 11.3 with Gnome on an Asus G50vt-x5
nVidia 9800M-GS
Current installed driver version is 260.19.29
Latest on nVidia site is 260.19.36


The problem is that if I try to enable Desktop Enhancements/Compiz I get a message that says it is not supported on my hardware. If I enable it anyway the display is very jerky, like it keeps having to catch up with itself.

I was thinking that maybe if I upgraded the drivers it would correct that problem. Then I saw the readme for the driver download. It says to shut down the xServer. I think my brain started melting while I was reading it

So I guess I am looking for a site/thread that will give me the basics of how to work with the xServer with the command line (I am kind of command line challenged – not a lot) I would also like some recovery commands/methods in case I hose up the video and can only get a command prompt.

I was also thinking that maybe there are some settings I should try in the nVidia X Server Settings app. I am not experienced enough to start messing with those settings on my own – I would probably change a setting and end up melting my laptop

I would appreciate it if someone could give me some pointers or a direction to look in.

Thanks

Sprawl
 
Old 01-23-2011, 09:00 PM   #2
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First thing: Yes, I recommend updating to the latest version of the NVIDIA drivers. I can't speak to exactly why, but whenever I do a major system upgrade, X won't start, and re-installing the latest drivers has always fixed it (with potential other necessary tweaks).

As far as shutting down X: press ctrl-alt-F1. This should take you to a console with a login prompt. Login as root here. To kill X:

`killall gdm`

Issue the text between the back-ticks and not the back-ticks itself. It's possible, but unlikely, that you may need to do this instead:

`killall kdm` or `killall xdm`.

Since your running gnome, I'm assuming it's gdm. People running kde will most likely be using kdm. People using other more primitive window managers may be using xdm. But wanted to put all 3 out there just in case.

Now you should be able to run the NVIDIA installer to install the latest drivers.

Once that's complete try running:

`gdm`

This should hopefully take you to your desktop. If it doesn't, press Alt-F7. This should take you to the desktop (assuming everything worked correctly).

Once you are back in X, open a console (xterm, or gnome-terminal), and run this command as root:
`glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"`.

The ultimate goal is to get this command to say:
direct rendering: Yes

--Shaun

Last edited by binary_pearl; 01-23-2011 at 10:08 PM. Reason: typo: s/so/to/ and other grammar. Yay for drinking and posting!
 
Old 01-23-2011, 10:52 PM   #3
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Hey Shaun,

Thanks for the quick help. I kept fighting and got compiz to work. I have a funky theme installed and the gnome window enhancement thingy.

Thanks for your help.
 
Old 01-23-2011, 11:02 PM   #4
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Cool, glad you got it working. Can you post the solution you used to get it working? Never know when someone a couple years down the road could have the same issue and happen to stumble upon this post.

--Shaun
 
Old 01-24-2011, 01:14 AM   #5
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Just a miscellaneous tip as well in future hardware issues. Remember that in linux, it is the chipset that is important not really the manufacturer of the card and it's model. You can verify the chipset bu use of the command lspci.

Glad to see you got it sorted quick.
 
Old 01-24-2011, 03:13 AM   #6
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i think the better way is to install the vga driver through repository with yum in order to get the most out of it(not sure for suse if there is yum),
here is a linkit's for fedora, but maybe it helps)
http://www.if-not-true-then-false.co...ouveau-driver/
 
Old 01-24-2011, 09:21 AM   #7
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by z99 View Post
i think the better way is to install the vga driver through repository with yum in order to get the most out of it(not sure for suse if there is yum),
here is a linkit's for fedora, but maybe it helps)
http://www.if-not-true-then-false.co...ouveau-driver/
I've noticed that you have the habit of responding to threads with non-related posts. This is not constructive to the OP. OP is using OpenSUSE, the Fedora link will not help directly but Howto: Smart Package Manager may help with package management. Other members have provided useful means to get the proper video chipset for the OP.

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Old 01-24-2011, 09:58 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by binary_pearl View Post
First thing: Yes, I recommend updating to the latest version of the NVIDIA drivers. I can't speak to exactly why, but whenever I do a major system upgrade, X won't start, and re-installing the latest drivers has always fixed it (with potential other necessary tweaks).
Only for clarification, you have to re-install the driver (doesn't matter normally if the same version or higher) whenever an upgrade changes the kernel. The driver needs a working kernel module, and this module is compiled at the driver's install time. If you change the kernel, this module will not work anymore and you have to recompile the module, which is easiest done with just re-installing the driver. There are ways that you don't have to do this manually, like DKMS, but I don't know if it is available for your distro.
 
Old 01-25-2011, 11:45 AM   #9
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So TobiSGD MR. Senior member sir

Are you saying that every time my kernel gets updated (like from the openSuSE software update) that I have to remember to reinstall my video drivers?

BTW thanks for your help.

Sprawl

I am also posting my recent endeavors...

---------- Post added 01-25-11 at 11:45 AM ----------

Hey Everyone, thanks for all the help.

So maybe I spoke too soon...

What I did was;

I found out that the theme I was using was generating some weird error (can't remember exactly what right now) so I removed the theme, uninstalled compiz* and then reinstalled. After that there was no error about not working with my hardware. I also found a script on the compiz forums that ran a check on my system to determine if it would run compiz. All of the tests it ran came back ok. So then after reinstalling it everything worked. Then for some reason it stopped working and then I couldn't switch to any of my multiple desktops. I could right clck the title bar and send apps to other desktops but then I couldn't open any other desktop. So I uninstalled it again and things are fine without it. I still REALLY want to use compiz, it is just wayyyyy cool.

With the video drivers...

There doesn't seem to be any kind of package to download, only 1 download and it has it's own installer program. That's the one that requires stopping the xServer.

So at this point I have not updated the drivers at all. I believe that if I want to try to install the driver update I will need to know some more methods or techniques for recovering my system if it doesn't work (getting back to a gui environment). This is pretty much the only computer I have access to so if I screw the update up I won't be able to get back online to ask questions about how to fix it. (if I get stuck in command line mode)

Thanks again,

Sprawl
 
Old 01-25-2011, 02:35 PM   #10
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So TobiSGD MR. Senior member sir

Are you saying that every time my kernel gets updated (like from the openSuSE software update) that I have to remember to reinstall my video drivers?

BTW thanks for your help.

Sprawl
Exactly that is what I wanted to say. I found a way for openSuse to install the drivers (hint: google for opensuse nvidia), but I am not using openSuse, so I can not say if the reinstall is done automatically for you by your package-manager.
May a openSuse-user can make a clear statement to that.
 
Old 01-25-2011, 11:56 PM   #11
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From the Suse forums:

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For nVidia, there are in essence 3 separate drivers available for openSUSE:

* vesa driver, known as "vesa"
* openGL / opensource driver, known as "nv"
* proprietary nVidia driver, known as "nvidia"
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If things are desperate, one can try to use the installation gui configuration by typing:

cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install /etc/X11/xorg.conf
This will essentially restore the default X config file.

From a howto which you may want to have a look at: And this is important else it seems it will not work!
Quote:
The nvidia installer does not work as long as a Xserver is still
running and the nvidia kernel module is still loaded. Therefore
please boot into runlevel 3 by specifying "3" as kernel boot
option or switch to runlevel 3 ("init 3") and unload the kernel
module ("rmmod nvidia") before running the nvidia installer.
Since openSUSE 11.3 use "nomodeset" as additional kernel boot
option.
The howto you can get from http://www.suse.de/~sndirsch/nvidia-...ler-HOWTO.html

There is also a neat article on nVidia cards installs (practical theory as they call it) on: http://forums.opensuse.org/forums/en...ml#post2164522 This may be of some help as well.

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards also have a few symptom, cause solution sets that may shed some light.
 
  


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