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Old 03-02-2003, 10:38 AM   #16
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When you first started Grip, a file was created in your home directory - called .grip - notice the dot at the start - it is a hidden file. If you delete this file, the one that causes the app to lock up, it will open OK, then you can do what you did as root to change the device and all should be well. To find this file, you need to open a file manager. I use Konqueror, choose - View - Show Hidden Files - you should be able to see .grip and delete it. Start Grip again and do your stuff.
 
Old 03-02-2003, 01:49 PM   #17
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Whoooaaaaaa! Bonus

Cheers Carlywarly,

in celebration, I thought that the first disc to go in after sorting it should be (because of their attitude to the RIAA/file sharers etc) Metallica's Metallica - exit light, enter night, take my hand, we're off to never never land etc etc etc etc



erm I don't suppose you know how I can get the XMMS thing sorted do you ??????

regards and many thanks

John
 
Old 03-02-2003, 04:04 PM   #18
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What's the problem? Open XMMS, in the main window, 1/2 way down, on the right, there are 2 buttons -eq and pl Press the pl. The playlist window opens. At the bottom, there are 2 buttons with File on. Click the left one, +File - a browsing window opens - navigate to the directory that holds your mp3s, then either click on Add All Files in Directory, or select a few and click Add Selected Files. Then click OK, then Close. All the selected files should be in the Playlist Window now, just click Play and you're done, hopefully.
 
Old 03-02-2003, 06:08 PM   #19
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Got it

What I was trying to do was to get XMMS to play audio cd's, with a view to then setting it up to play the streaming audio (from virgin radio - I'm old enough to appreciate the music - though when the "SKY" is on the telly, I like channel 454 which is the kerrang! channel - perhaps I'm a closet 17 year old geek and not a 38 year old truck driver).

Anyway I digress, apart from clicking away like a demented fool, I right clicked on the xmms player window and things started to come back to me - I had it running about 10 disasters (re-installs) ago, and I have it running by selecting the "load playlist" window and opening a directory called /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0 and with a disc in the drive I then get cd in the file list, I type the whole lot into the selection box at the bottom of the playlist window and like magic the actual playlist has the track listing in it. The metallica again (though very quietly - she'd cut me bawls off if I woke her up with that!)

I seem to recall that it was vvv hit and miss last time - though what all the stuff in the directory name actually means - god only knows.

I should have thought that there must be a short method of achieveing this, but again, that's between god and the developers.

regards

John

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Old 03-02-2003, 06:34 PM   #20
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Bollocks, would you believe it, now it won't play again.

regards

John
 
Old 03-03-2003, 01:15 AM   #21
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And the ONLY thing you changed when upgrading X was X itself?

Really sounds odd... no... very odd to me. You may want to try using workbone or some other command line cdplayer to see if that's the issue (X).

Good Luck troubleshooting that one

Cool
Oh yeah, I guess I should have mentioned that I installed MPlayer and its win32 codecs/dll's. I can't see it affecting my cd player sound though. The tracks show up, and it's playing, but no sound whatsoever. It's very weird. I could understand it more if MPlayer made it so that my CD-ROM wasn't recognized or no tracks showing up more than just affecting the sound. Is there a setting within MPlayer that would cause this to happen that you know of? Thanks again, and sorry I forgot to mention MPlayer in my original post.
 
Old 03-03-2003, 01:18 AM   #22
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Bollocks, would you believe it, now it won't play again.

regards

John
I found that my XMMS did that to me a few times too. It would find the tracks, play them and then I'd put in another CD and it couldn't find any tracks. I had to log out of X and back in, then open XMMS, close it, open it again, and then it would work. It was weird. Also, I'm sorry for jumping on the bandwagon here--I noticed the first part of your post stating "I and others" so I thought I'd jump in too. Maybe our problems will help each other out.
 
Old 03-03-2003, 03:59 AM   #23
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no snags Tex,

I seem to remember that when I had this running last time, it was with version 8.2 and even then, I am sure that it was more by luck than judgement. At least I/we are getting closer. Which is excellent, but I still say that that's one of the bigger differences between flavours of linux and wind0w$, the quality of the documentation. I suppose if you are doing development on a voluntary basis, you won't have the finances to get your documentation professionally produced, proof read etc etc unlike one of our more "well known" commercial institutions.

There is also the major differences between the level's of knowledge between those who write the docs, and that includes man pages, and those of us who are having the problems in the first place. Which is the main reason that I am so greatful for places like LQ (believe it or not, I have an older brother who is not only a graduate IT professional, but also a redhat obsessive - but like MOST of the more knowledgeable linux types he seems to have forgotten what it's like to be a n00b, and he might have a "formal IT qualification" but the one thing that he can't do is teach i.e. pass his knowledge and experience on, without burbling in geek speak!).

Still, like "British Rail", we'll get there eventually!

regards

John
 
Old 03-03-2003, 04:50 AM   #24
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Oh yeah, I guess I should have mentioned that I installed MPlayer and its win32 codecs/dll's. I can't see it affecting my cd player sound though. The tracks show up, and it's playing, but no sound whatsoever. It's very weird. I could understand it more if MPlayer made it so that my CD-ROM wasn't recognized or no tracks showing up more than just affecting the sound. Is there a setting within MPlayer that would cause this to happen that you know of? Thanks again, and sorry I forgot to mention MPlayer in my original post.
I haven't a clue. No setting in MPlayer I can think of or have used would do something like that. Just for giggles here's what I'd do:
Recreate the /dev/dsp from the MAKEDEV script. Redo the permissions on it. Fire up your slack CD and remove and re-install your CDPlayer programs, or download the latest versions from their homepages and compile them. I have no idea why Sound would be affected by your version of X, but wierder things have happened (such as me using linux ). It might be the version of the program(s) require a certain version of X, so getting the latest version might fix em? Just throwing out ideas since I don't have the slightest idea of what's going on. Maybe move your soundcard to a different slot, maybe upgrading X caused conflicts between devices. I've never upgrading X's, so fire up your X directory, and run the configure script with the --help options and see if you have any options in there for sound...

You might consider asking a mod to cut your question out (Ok, I'm not suggesting double posting, but you might wanna 'rephrase' your question, and post it up as a new on in the Slackware section It could be slackware specific) and move it for you, however that's gonna be hard, especially since it's integrated with the other posts here...

Cool
 
Old 03-03-2003, 04:54 AM   #25
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no snags Tex,

I seem to remember that when I had this running last time, it was with version 8.2 and even then, I am sure that it was more by luck than judgement. At least I/we are getting closer. Which is excellent, but I still say that that's one of the bigger differences between flavours of linux and wind0w$, the quality of the documentation. I suppose if you are doing development on a voluntary basis, you won't have the finances to get your documentation professionally produced, proof read etc etc unlike one of our more "well known" commercial institutions.

There is also the major differences between the level's of knowledge between those who write the docs, and that includes man pages, and those of us who are having the problems in the first place. Which is the main reason that I am so greatful for places like LQ (believe it or not, I have an older brother who is not only a graduate IT professional, but also a redhat obsessive - but like MOST of the more knowledgeable linux types he seems to have forgotten what it's like to be a n00b, and he might have a "formal IT qualification" but the one thing that he can't do is teach i.e. pass his knowledge and experience on, without burbling in geek speak!).

Still, like "British Rail", we'll get there eventually!

regards

John
There is a member on the board here, I wish I could remember who, that (oh, b_usa comes to mind as a name...) is starting a project for n00bs by n00bs for help. If I can find the thread, I'll point your towards it, and I'll be glad to join as well. This could be your opportunity to help out the n00b community with documentation for n00bs by a n00b (although you are not quite a n00b anymore, you can definitely see things from their perspective easier than alot of the developers can). I'd also like to help with some documentation as well some of the research. The only thing I remember is that it was in the Linux - General Section. I will search for it a bit later and see if I can find the link for you.

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Old 03-03-2003, 08:08 AM   #26
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Now that's a damned good idea Chad,

perhaps whoever coordinates it could keep a database of possible candidates for trialling things or get one or more of the linux publications to advertise somewhere.

I mean there's nothing like a n00b for asking n00b questions. Just so the various docs could be fleshed out - e.g. this months linuxformat has got the kde3.1 on the DVD/cdrom's and although it seems to include a "mandrakised" version, when you look into it, you just end up with a directory full of tar.gz's, and I suspect I would have to sus out a command similar to the one you helped me with when I was trying to install the gkrellm skins.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more it seems like it could be achieved with some sort of database of links that are probably already out there.

But the forgetting where you have been thing is a constant bind, as I find quite often - my local LUG for example has some very knowledgeable people on it's list, but I often have to skip read the vast majority of the e-mail because the level of techno speak can be incredible, this is NOT a criticism though, just to be expected - quite a few of the members are IT professionals, but have still attempted to point me in the right direction on the odd occasion that I have a question.

But yes, the for and from n00b documentation is a most excellent idea.

regards

John

p.s. my new found AIM name is eggs4brekkie
 
Old 03-03-2003, 09:55 AM   #27
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Mmm, eggs. Thanks for the idea

Hey John, I've always tried to keep my brain geared towards the n00bs looking at things, and still try to help in that way. Sometimes though, there is no way around saying:
Quote:
dd if=/dev/cdrom | cdrecord dev=x,x,x speed=x -v -eject -
assuming /dev/cdrom points to your device:
ls -l /dev/cdrom if not:
ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom then dd and so on
The difference being what precludes that. If I were to start that out with:
"open up a terminal. "
That still might be confusing, so, then you assume they start out with KDE and say:
"click the icon in your taskbar that looks like an old monochrome monitor"
And hope they know what that is. Most likely they will. Then they have konsole up. At which point you'd say:
"now you are going to have to be root to execute this"
This assumes they know what root is. So you then have to say:
"Root is the admin user on linux, to get to root type 'su -' and enter your root password into the terminal you just opened up"
This assumes during the install they remember what they used for roots password. Many don't, and so now we are down to either a long list of ways to recover roots password (bad idea) or having them reinstall (less of 2 evils probably). Assuming they know roots password though, we then say:
"Ok, now type this into your terminal:
(above quoted commands)"
However, we have to say:
"replace dev=x,x,x with the actual device"
Followed with:
"To find which device use:
cdrecord -scanbus"
This assumes they know to type that into the terminal.

I could go on, but I am sure you see where I'd go with that (Note: 'We' is the all inclusive persons helping out said n00b)

The point is, documentation for a n00b is much more drawn out. Even targeting a slightly more educated (educated with linux, not general computer knowledge) audience breaks down your documentation to at least half if not even more, so instead of a 4 page essay on how to copy a cd with cdrecord via the command line you would only have to use:
"Fire up your favorite terminal and type:
blah blah"
And slightly more educated doesn't mean hard corps programmers, and not even seasoned users. I still consider myself a "seasoned n00b" but even someone not as "seasoned" as me, assuming they have either followed a tutorial:
www.linux.org
Or have a decent book, read the 'rute' book in fancypipers sig, or anything along those lines; should be able to know what a terminal is.

Command line usage is not a dark art (in another post you know of, it's said that command lining in linux is like hacking your registry in win, this is far from the truth) it's just a different way of doing things. The "more unversal" way in linux. You don't have to wonder what icons someone has on their desktop to run something, or what wm they are using, you give them basic tools that all distros should have such as cp, ln, mv, and cdrecord, and tell them how to use them. They should already be aware they exist, and now you are just telling them what they need to know to use them.

I am (if it's cool) going to gladly join that n00b project, and help document the things they want, and hopefully be able to help out a great deal of n00bs in the process. One of the biggest things though, that anyone should use and see, is the resources already out there. The rute user manual is one of the best things anyone has ever documented. Yes, it's too much to tackle in one sitting, but it's a reference tool. It's something to use when you have a question on how to use the command line, and someone replies with:
cdrecord blah blah
You don't have to reply with:
what's a terminal?
Because it's already documented in the rute manual. This is the point of frustration for the programmers, and for the advanced users helping n00bs. I am probably one of the more odd ones that doesn't mind going through the journal of help to get someone to be able to use cdrecord. I personally enjoy helping out every person I can individually by running them through what a terminal is.



Wow, what was all that about anyway? Oh yeah, helping out a n00b and IT people. Ok, so anyway, I've fired off an email to a user on the board b_usa since he posted it under a different username, and when I get a reply I'll post up a link

Cool
 
Old 03-03-2003, 02:34 PM   #28
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Well Chad,

I aggee with virtually all of your last post (it's ok, no need to salute), but that's why a lot of it would need to be linked/databased. Perhaps with an appendix or "jargon buster" as used by the published version of Computeractive though I don't know if it's available in the US. They highlight anything that need explaining in the text of their articles in red and append the jargon buster as a side column somewhere in the article with a brief description (if I recall correctly, the website has a "search for definitions" box to do the same thing).

Yes, that particular magazine is biased toward wind0w$ flavoured n00b's (on par with dog s**t flavoured popsicles), but I'm pretty sure that that type of format isn't/can't be copyrighted, and would be a practicle solution, as in "open a terminal/console/whatever" linked to the basic instruction of what the terminal etc actually is. I mean, it takes even the newest of n00b's about 2 seconds to discover the "back" button.

Also, you are spot on about n00b documentation being more drawn out, it still would be, even with links etc for descriptions, definitions, etc. This is just a matter of the type of language used when writing the document/tutorial/whatever. I've said it before, and i'll say it again, language is important.

Although, when I post here, I try to make it as clear as possible as to what I am trying to say, spelling, punctuation, etc there is still considerable latitude for misunderstanding and ambiguity.

Still, any n00b level assistance, is good n00b level assistance as far as I am concerned, and I don't mean that to be critical of the knowledgeable minority, for whom geek speak is a way of life.

Oh and it was 3 soft boiled eggs for breakfast this morning, with fresh bread toast (the bread baking machine that Clare and I got from her parents at Christmas is brilliant). The only downside being that I will probably have to keep the cab windows open when I'm working tomorrow!

regards

John
 
Old 03-04-2003, 02:18 AM   #29
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Hey guys, count me in. I'd like to help out with that project. I like to think that when I'm not asking questions of my own I do a pretty good job of explaining solutions to other newbies without being too "technical". Let me know if you need me.
 
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Still awaiting an email, or a post up or anything. I'll post up as soon as I find something...



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