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Old 09-16-2013, 01:53 PM   #31
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^Because the OP indicated a level of noob-ness, and not wanting to get too adventurous, although also saying he didn't mind Googling for answers.

I would tend to agree with you, however, if someone is more adventurous and really wants to LEARN Linux. In which case, just quit screwing around and go for Slackware or Gentoo.

EDIT: And immerse yourself in cli-only for at least a month.

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Old 09-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #32
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So many great distros...so little time!

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^Because the OP indicated a level of noob-ness, and not wanting to get too adventurous, although also saying he didn't mind Googling for answers.

I would tend to agree with you, however, if someone is more adventurous and really wants to LEARN Linux. In which case, just quit screwing around and go for Slackware or Gentoo.

EDIT: And immerse yourself in cli-only for at least a month.
I wish I had the motivation to do that. When I first switched to Linux, I was so enthusiastic; I was going to read the big "Rute" tutorial, and learn EVERYTHING from the bottom, up; and learn scripting [I still might give that a whirl when time permits...) and everything. And while I'm still veryu excited about Linux, I have lost a lot of motivation lately- seeing the way the interwebz and seemingly everything around computing are going; and just wanting to simplify; and lessen my time/dependence on computers. I should've switched to Linux back in '99 when I got myu first computer- I would have really sopped it up then, and would be a Linux geek now! (Amazingly, I did know about Linux back then.....but a cursory look at some forums back then made me think that it was not yet ready for the computer-illiterate general public, such as mysel.)

Ultimately, I think I'm just going to back up the files I need to save, and just start trying the various distros which interest me. Pick one; try it; if it don't[sic] work......try something else. (Sometimes, it's better when things don't work. You learn. When things work, you get comfortable and lazy.....)
 
Old 09-16-2013, 07:25 PM   #33
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Hey I would suggest to try LinuxMint 13 cinnamon or mate edition. If you go to debian the latest Debian by default will give you the Gnome Shell as your main graphical interface and for what I understand you are trying to get away from Ubuntu because you dont like its new GUI. Well Debian will give you a similar GUI.

Sure Debian fans here in this site will tell you that you can skip Gnome in Debian and go with Xfce but sure you can do that in Ubuntu as well.

Heck! Ubuntu Studio will give you a beautifuly themed Xfce as main GUI if you would install Ubuntu Studio

So if it is just the graphical interface what you are trying to avoid I would suggest just to skip Unity or Gnome and stick with the OS you are familiar with. I mean if you also dont want to learn anything new that is my suggestion.

Here is the link to Ubuntu Studio-------> http://ubuntustudio.org/
Here is the link to LinuxMint ----------> http://www.linuxmint.com/

Good luck to you
 
Old 09-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #34
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Sure Debian fans here in this site will tell you that you can skip Gnome in Debian and go with Xfce but sure you can do that in Ubuntu as well.
I think the problem wouldn't be Unity itself if there was no malicious code. Just switching DE's on Ubuntu won't do much for people who don't trust Canonical.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 08:02 PM   #35
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I think the problem wouldn't be Unity itself if there was no malicious code. Just switching DE's on Ubuntu won't do much for people who don't trust Canonical.
Joo got it!

Tron, I've never tried Unity- but I can see aspects of it that I know I wouldn't like (such as no task bar...)- but it's really the clunkiness of it (resource hogging) and the malicious code/spying/hawking of proprietary crap which really kills it for me.

Is Gnome3 like Unity? I have the older Gnome on my Ubuntu 10.04...no complaints- but on the new OS, I may well install XFCE or some such. Thanks for the info.

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Scrooge it! I'm going to download the net-install ISO for Debian right no and give it a whirl! There are pros and cons of all all the various distros......but I guess I have to start somewhere, if I want to migrate away from Ubuntu. I can always switch to one of the Mints if need be, right?

And hey....as long as it's not from Microsoft, Apple or Cannonical.....it has to be good!
 
Old 09-16-2013, 08:19 PM   #36
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There's absolutely no problem with GNOME, since it's free (as in freedom). GNOME 3 by default is kinda messy and has some usability problems, but I gotta admit that I really like it on Classic Mode.
My preferred DE is KDE, but it's implementation made by Debian dev's needs more polishing. This, of course, if you install 'kde-plasma-desktop', because if you install 'kde-full' there will be no bugs except the one that shows like you don't have internet connection (explanation http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2684/854r.png).
Other than that, it's a rock-solid distro that is not driven by corporations =)

EDIT: If you want, start with the Stable release. You may find some of it's apps "old", but I have the link to the Testing ISO's if you want.

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Old 09-16-2013, 09:09 PM   #37
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It is the best idea to try different distros and make up your mind base on what you have experienced. Please report back on what you find, or post more questions if there are any. I am sure many users will benefit from that experience.

Good luck to you.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 11:12 PM   #38
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To the OP, you need to do something sooner rather than later. Why? Ubuntu 10.04 (desktop not server) has reached EOL (End Of Life) and is no longer supported. This means that if there are any security issues with anything outside of the regular server install (basically anything GUI) your PC will have a security hole.

I would suggest Debian Wheezy. Download DVD 1 and take your pick of what desktop environment you want to install.

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Lots of distros don't support MATE and for good reason.
Debian is intergrating MATE into Jessie so I'd be interested in what good reasons you are refering to.

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It's quite ironic that these supposedly superior (or as some would say - "polished") derivatives would not even be possible without Debian itself and the hard work of Debian developers.
I agree but it is also ironic that you seem to be dismissing MATE yet Debian itself isn't.

Back to the OP, if you want to retain the loomkand feel of 10.04 you could easily install MATE 1.6 ontop of Debian.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 11:40 PM   #39
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Who would install Ubuntu 10.04? o.O
 
Old 09-17-2013, 12:04 AM   #40
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Who would install Ubuntu 10.04? o.O
People who like(d) Ubuntu when it come out! It seems the OP installed it 3 years ago like many others did.
 
Old 09-17-2013, 12:45 AM   #41
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Debian is intergrating MATE into Jessie so I'd be interested in what good reasons you are refering to.

I agree but it is also ironic that you seem to be dismissing MATE yet Debian itself isn't.
If I remember correctly, the problem is Mate has renamed some of the libraries that are used by both Mate and Gnome. The long delay in adding Mate to Debian's repositories is due to fixing that library problem. If I remember correctly that is.
 
Old 09-17-2013, 01:01 AM   #42
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People who like(d) Ubuntu when it come out! It seems the OP installed it 3 years ago like many others did.
Maybe I didn't catch the part where he said he was going to install 10.04
 
Old 09-17-2013, 01:04 AM   #43
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If I remember correctly, the problem is Mate has renamed some of the libraries that are used by both Mate and Gnome. The long delay in adding Mate to Debian's repositories is due to fixing that library problem. If I remember correctly that is.
The libraries that were renamed were renamed to stop clashes between MATE and Gnome. These were in MATE 1.4 and before, there are very few in MATE 1.6 and as far as I know there won't be any in MATE 1.8 (Debian already has some MATE 1.7 (read MATE development release) in Sid. There was a big discussion on the Debian Mailing list about it and the sticking point was deprecated technologies. Stefano-K made a good case for MATE's official inclusion into Debian and as far as I am aware Debian is accepting MATE as long as it doesn't reintroduce, or solely rely on, deprecated technologies.
 
Old 09-17-2013, 02:39 AM   #44
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Debian....is up and running! (I'm posting this using it and it's Iceweasel browser)

Just literally finished the install not 5 minutes ago.

Unbelievable! As far as ease of use (thus far) I don't see anything being much different than Ubuntu 10.04- and set-up was basically automatic (like I would have been expecting in Lime)- Booted it up; opened Iceweasel...and VIOLA[sic}....didn't have to configure internet or anything!

I will definitely have to write a review for Linux noobs after I've used it for a week or two.

I may be jinxing myself....but so far, I don't see anything that would preclude a computer-illiterate noob like myself from using Debian 7.0 stable!

Sweet!

Thanks, everyone. Keep the comments coming...this is how I learn.

Wow! I've got ***REAL**** Linux, now!

Junior-S, I may take you up on the referral to the "testing" packages!

Oh...I think I'm gonna like this!

And I made it through the HDD partitioning O-K (barely)....my Ubuntu with all my data survived.....and best of all...my 'puter is now officially...
WINDOWS-FREE!!!!!
 
Old 09-17-2013, 03:14 AM   #45
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Good to know you made it. Yes, now you have the father of them all =P

I tried Iceweasel but it slowed on me after a few weeks, could be because I used a master password but I don't know, this doesn't happen on Chromium.

There won't be much difference at all from Ubuntu to Debian as long as you're new to the system.
I assume you're on Stable (wheezy), so you should be OK with it for a few weeks or months. Me, for instance, decided to use Testing (jessie) because it's much easier to install Steam on it, literally took 2 minutes.

EDITING YOUR SOFTWARE SOURCES

Now, the first thing I would like to recommend is that you backup your 'etc/apt/souces.list' and then edit the original in order to obtain non-free software (if you'd like so). Mine for instance looks like this (remember that I'm on testing, so just add "contrib non-free" to yours, except on the security lines):
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deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib
After editing it, do
Code:
apt-get update
and then
Code:
apt-get upgrade
INSTALLING VIDEO DRIVERS (NVIDIA)

You should be fine to install your video drivers now. If you need assistance (and assuming you have a NVIDIA card):

1.
Code:
# aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
2.
Code:
# mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
3.
Code:
# echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
PS: Notice how it says "My GPU". Edit that to your card name. For instance, mine was:

Code:
# echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "GeForce 9800GT"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
4. Reboot
5. After login, do
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sudo nvidia-settings
and edit your settings like resolution etc, and then save the configuration file (Select 720p in order to be able to read. For some reason ffmpeg doesn't process the video correctly in lower resolutions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr4ByUEAyu0) The location of the file is '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf'

PS: Some people recommend to install the video drivers on init3. I didn't find this necessary, but it's your choice.
However, I highly recommend you to do 'dist-upgrade' on init3. Let me know if you need help with the steps.

PS2: The install of these drivers require you to add the non-free repositories. I never installed the free drivers, but there could be tutorials on that.


More: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphi...7_.22Wheezy.22

PRACTICING

Now, since you have the ISO DVD, copy it to test the system on a VirtualMachine. It's great to learn and saves a lot of time.

1. Install virtualbox via Synaptic.
2. Open a terminal and install brasero-cdrkit if you've recorded the image on a DVD+RW disc. Somehow BRASERO can't copy DVD+RW discs without that tool. It's not needed if you've installed k3b.
3. After copying the disc, setup your virtual-machine and start practicing =]

Viola. Debian installed and you're ready to start learning.

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