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Old 09-15-2013, 11:10 PM   #1
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Question No New Ubuntu! Mint or Debian?


Hey, Everyone!

Long time no see! Yes, I've been using Ubuntu 10.04 exclusively for over 3 years now, but I'm still a noob, thanks to the fact that Linux just works and does what I want it to do...so I haven't had to tinker much!

I'll be getting a new 'puter in the near future (desktop)....and I will not be sticking with Ubuntu, as the new incarnations of it are far too bloated- not to mention the dreaded Unity!

I'm torn between Mint (and possibly LMDE) and good old Debian.

Whatever I choose, I will first dual-boot on my current 'puter with my old Ubuntu 10.04 (It's my only 'puter).

I basically want a system which will not be bloated with a bunch of junk which I will never use!

I do:
*Email.
*Surfing
*Photo/video management (& a little editing once in a while)
*Managing music files.
*Occasional laser printing (Brother machine) and occasional scanning.
...and that's about it.

I don't use a smartphone or really sync. anything else with my 'puter. No IM.....

I don't care too much about desktop environments- as long as they are not resource-hogs...and they work well. XFCE is fine.

I'm not a computer geek. I can Google for answers to problems, and implement them (If spelled-out well).

I do demand a GUI.

Will Debian be over my head? Can I install only what I need in Debian, without too much drama/screwing things up? After using Ubuntu, will it "just work"?

I know Mint is more user-friendly- and comes with all the needed codecs (Is that true also of LMDE?), so I know Mint will work for me- but I would like to try Debian, if it will not be over my head; and if it is not too bloated/will not force me to install gigabytes of crap that I'll never use.

Advice?

I have a 2007 Compaq, currently, with a 3GHz processor and 1Gig of memory (I think).
 
Old 09-15-2013, 11:46 PM   #2
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I'm replacing Ubuntu next with Antix or SloydxK

solydx more than likey because I already run 32bit and 64bit AntiX already on most of my gear
and I like to travel different roads out of adventure.

http://solydxk.com/

Up to you though on what trips your trigger.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:15 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, Rokytnji,

I'm not much into adventures these days (At least not on the computer...)- I just want something that works and is otherwise pretty transparent. I dumped WinD'ohs because it was forcing me to spend more time futzing with the OS than actually doing the things I need/want my computer to do.....

 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:23 AM   #4
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I put Mint Cinnamon on my ladys latest ultrabook - nice interface, has all the needed drivers, nothing to do. She loves it compared to Unity.

I had LMDE on one of my systems a while back - can't remember why I dropped it.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:30 AM   #5
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I put Mint Cinnamon on my ladys latest ultrabook - nice interface, has all the needed drivers, nothing to do. She loves it compared to Unity.

I had LMDE on one of my systems a while back - can't remember why I dropped it.
Think, man! Think!

I've been doing sopme reading tonight....and was thinking I'd go with LMDE as a nice compromise between regular Mint and Debian......
 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:36 AM   #6
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Looking at your computers specs and what you use it for the 3 distros you listed have thier pros and cons.
If Mint, I would go with Mint 13 Maya,(Cinnamon) which is the LTS and gets updates to 2017.
LMDE ia rock solid and a rolling release but requires a little more Linux expertize.
Debian, great one if looking for a solid, tried and tested Distro.
I like all 3, prefer Maya myself. It has all you need, with extras. Easy for beginners and very stable.
Good Luck with what ever you choose.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:42 AM   #7
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Thanks, Lupguru!

You make a good case for Mint w/Cinnamon. I like the 2017 thing. I basically like to install an OS, and run with it for as long as possible. I used WIN98 into 2007! (And I've only updated my Ubuntu once in 3 years...).

I see that LMDE doesn't have EFI or GPT. What exactly does that mean? (Something to do with partitioning? I need something thast will have a graphical partitioner...and will be able to dual-boot with my current Ubuntu for the time being.... would that be a problem with LMDE?)
 
Old 09-16-2013, 12:52 AM   #8
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Thanks, Lupguru!

You make a good case for Mint w/Cinnamon. I like the 2017 thing. I basically like to install an OS, and run with it for as long as possible. I used WIN98 into 2007! (And I've only updated my Ubuntu once in 3 years...).

I see that LMDE doesn't have EFI or GPT. What exactly does that mean? (Something to do with partitioning? I need something thast will have a graphical partitioner...and will be able to dual-boot with my current Ubuntu for the time being.... would that be a problem with LMDE?)
First off, Mint is based on Ubuntu and LMDE is based on Debian. Mint's installer is just like Ubuntu and will ask if you want to dual boot or replace your Ubuntu. LMDE on the other hand you will have to edit your partitions before installing. Daunting for beginners but not too hard. Read up on LMDE's intaller docs on the website if you like.
Me, I'm lazy and like the Mint installation.
 
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LMDE works fine with a "normal" (i.e. MBR based) partition structure - gpt is a newer partition structure for bigger disks/partitions. Keep your partitions under 2 terrabyte and you'll be o.k.

I think I ditched it because on a btrfs partition it took 6-8 hours for apt-get update to run. Problem with the way Debian continually syncs during update. I heard they were looking to accommodate this in btrfs, but I moved on and have never gone back to re-test it. Was a couple of years ago.
No such issues on ext4 I believe.
 
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@sygg00
this may have been your problem
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...od-4175473777/
 
Old 09-16-2013, 01:37 AM   #11
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IMO there's no advantage of using Mint over Debian =]
Once you get going on it it's probably the most rock solid distro out there.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 01:48 AM   #12
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I am not familiar with Mint, but as for Debian:
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I don't care too much about desktop environments- as long as they are not resource-hogs...and they work well. XFCE is fine.
Debian does not limit GUI choice. There are installation discs with Gnome, KDE, XFCE and LXDE. Install one or none. Any GUI can be added after the system is installed. And more than one can be installed simultaneously.
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I'm not a computer geek. I can Google for answers to problems, and implement them (If spelled-out well).
More documentation than you could shake a stick at.
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Will Debian be over my head? Can I install only what I need in Debian, without too much drama/screwing things up? After using Ubuntu, will it "just work"?
Most things, but wireless internet and a few video drivers require some extra work.
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but I would like to try Debian, if it will not be over my head; and if it is not too bloated/will not force me to install gigabytes of crap that I'll never use.
The system itself is not bloated. Just stay away from Gnome and KDE.

Last edited by Randicus Draco Albus; 09-16-2013 at 01:51 AM.
 
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:58 AM   #13
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The system itself is not bloated. Just stay away from Gnome and KDE.
The KDE implementation on Debian isn't good by default. I recommend you not installing any DE on install (unmark that option) and then do
Code:
apt-get install kde-full
This way KDE will work as expected.
BTW kde-full works way better than kde-plasma-desktop, on Debian.
 
Old 09-16-2013, 04:13 AM   #14
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IMO there's no advantage of using Mint over Debian =]
Once you get going on it it's probably the most rock solid distro out there.
Mint is more newbie friendly it installs proptrietary drivers at install atleast the network
 
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Mint is more newbie friendly it installs proptrietary drivers at install atleast the network
If that's all Mint has to offer then I recommend sticking with Debian, which is the real deal and will do much better after he gets his hands on.
 
  


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