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Old 09-29-2011, 06:11 AM   #121
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I already know my lost data wouldn't be in some recycling bin. If I knew where my data was, it would only be deleted data instead of lost data. If the data was in my recycling bin, then I would know where my data was. I don't call that lost. To me, lost means not findable.
You say lost data is not findable, and that you have lost your data. So why do you expect to be able to find it? It's lost, so it's not findable.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:53 AM   #122
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I usually don't comment on threads but I voted this one "Terrible" for a plethora of reasons. The OP, as Nylex kindly pointed out, is inexperienced and runs commands without knowing what he's doing. He treats this thread like some form of IM and posts incessantly including any mostly irrelevant details and brain dumps. Most importantly he isn't able to tell good advice from bad suggestions. That's where some of the, clearly lesser experienced, LQ members come in. While LQ is basically Free for All to participate in this should not be mistaken as a license to participate in any thread. I'm not saying it's verboten, any help is welcome, but if you don't know what you're doing, if you don't realize the implications of what you suggest, if your posting rate and argumentativeness matches that of the OP, when you can't provide the hand-holding an OP requires or when you realize a problem is way out of your league then you best don't echo other peoples posts and kindly step out of the game.
So far the only thing this thread has been successful in is confusing the OP and making things worse. That helps neither the OP or LQ.
 
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:56 PM   #123
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You say lost data is not findable, and that you have lost your data. So why do you expect to be able to find it? It's lost, so it's not findable.


If you lost your only child, would you say to everybody, "Somebody must have kidnapped my son or my daughter, maybe they murdered them, raped them, hurt them, and they are lost and there is no way I am going to be able to find them and I have been looking for my kid for years and now I am going to give up because theya re lsot and they are not findable." Question mark?
 
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:02 PM   #124
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I usually don't comment on threads but I voted this one "Terrible" for a plethora of reasons. The OP, as Nylex kindly pointed out, is inexperienced and runs commands without knowing what he's doing. He treats this thread like some form of IM and posts incessantly including any mostly irrelevant details and brain dumps. Most importantly he isn't able to tell good advice from bad suggestions. That's where some of the, clearly lesser experienced, LQ members come in. While LQ is basically Free for All to participate in this should not be mistaken as a license to participate in any thread. I'm not saying it's verboten, any help is welcome, but if you don't know what you're doing, if you don't realize the implications of what you suggest, if your posting rate and argumentativeness matches that of the OP, when you can't provide the hand-holding an OP requires or when you realize a problem is way out of your league then you best don't echo other peoples posts and kindly step out of the game.
So far the only thing this thread has been successful in is confusing the OP and making things worse. That helps neither the OP or LQ.




But what is the alternative? Are you suggesting that I give up because I am so inexperienced? Are you suggesting that I wait until somebody states that they a super expert before I take their advice? Are you saying I can't take calculated risks? I can't just sit around and wait for the rest of my life.

I am not being confused. I just want to experiment. I want to try my best to get my data back at any cost. I am not here to play it safe. My data is like my kids. I am willing to die for them.

I mean how else or where else does experience and skills originate from except through trial and error, and that is what I am doing.

You shouldn't suggest that some people might be giving me some bad advice if you are not here to give me good advice as a substitution, an alternative, you know what I mean?

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Old 09-29-2011, 06:22 PM   #125
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I usually don't comment on threads but I voted this one "Terrible" for a plethora of reasons. The OP, as Nylex kindly pointed out, is inexperienced and runs commands without knowing what he's doing. He treats this thread like some form of IM and posts incessantly including any mostly irrelevant details and brain dumps. Most importantly he isn't able to tell good advice from bad suggestions. That's where some of the, clearly lesser experienced, LQ members come in. While LQ is basically Free for All to participate in this should not be mistaken as a license to participate in any thread. I'm not saying it's verboten, any help is welcome, but if you don't know what you're doing, if you don't realize the implications of what you suggest, if your posting rate and argumentativeness matches that of the OP, when you can't provide the hand-holding an OP requires or when you realize a problem is way out of your league then you best don't echo other peoples posts and kindly step out of the game.
So far the only thing this thread has been successful in is confusing the OP and making things worse. That helps neither the OP or LQ.





If I was experienced, I wouldn't be asking for help?

What is a point of a forum if you already know everything?

If I knew everything then why would I even be here to begin with?

Your line of logic doesn't make sense to me.

I'm suppose to be dumb enough to have problems, which brings me to this forum.

But then I'm not suppose to be so dumb that I just take everybody's advice and type so much, and be so desperate and so eager for solutions, for change, for answers, for results that we can trust, that we can reap, that we can benefit from for generations to come?

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Old 09-29-2011, 06:26 PM   #126
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You say lost data is not findable, and that you have lost your data. So why do you expect to be able to find it? It's lost, so it's not findable.


Have you ever lost your kids, keys, bike, car, things stolen,purse, bag, things, love ones, pets, food, or anything, ever? Do you just give up?

Do you just say, "I don't know where it is, oh well?"

Do you just assume that these things just disappear?
 
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:35 PM   #127
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if you installed 11.04 & now you're seeing 10.04, are you able to boot 10.04?
If so try "update-grub" maybe 11.04 will be detected so u can boot
Code:
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ update-grub
grub-mkconfig: You must run this as root
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo update-grub
[sudo] password for o: 
Generating grub.cfg ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-11-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-11-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-10-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-10-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-9-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-9-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-29-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-29-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-31-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-31-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:38 PM   #128
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I have never heard anyone in this forum make mention of Hiren's boot cd but it has mini linux & tesy\tdisk on it you may be able to recover your files from mini-linux. Another good 1 that has testdik is Gparted-live-cd

Should I try finding Hiren and try it out?
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:43 PM   #129
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Joey please run "uname -a" and post the output. That will show you which kernel version you are running.
 
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:44 PM   #130
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According to the fdisk output, your root partition is /dev/sda1. You don't have a separate /home partition, so /home would also be on /dev/sda1.

Please post the contents of /etc/fstab, especially the line that has "/" under mount point. Also if there is a line which has "/home" for mount point, that would be very interesting. But I doubt there will be, I'm pretty sure /home would have been on /dev/sda1.

---------- Post added 09-29-11 at 04:09 PM ----------



You become root, then you use the ls command to list what is in there.

sudo su -
ls -la /lost+found



Code:
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
# for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
# devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=eb95dfd0-f3df-49c0-aa8f-cbdf43e43798 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
UUID=8083536d-0b5b-49a9-ae45-6e051330f7cf none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ ls /etc/fstab
/etc/fstab
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:55 PM   #131
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According to the fdisk output, your root partition is /dev/sda1. You don't have a separate /home partition, so /home would also be on /dev/sda1.

Please post the contents of /etc/fstab, especially the line that has "/" under mount point. Also if there is a line which has "/home" for mount point, that would be very interesting. But I doubt there will be, I'm pretty sure /home would have been on /dev/sda1.

---------- Post added 09-29-11 at 04:09 PM ----------



You become root, then you use the ls command to list what is in there.

sudo su -
ls -la /lost+found




Code:
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo /etc/fstab
[sudo] password for o: 
sudo: /etc/fstab: command not found
o@o-HP-Compaq-6910p-GH715AW-ABA:~$ sudo cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
# for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
# devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=eb95dfd0-f3df-49c0-aa8f-cbdf43e43798 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
UUID=8083536d-0b5b-49a9-ae45-6e051330f7cf none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:57 PM   #132
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Joey please stop running random commands. You just tried to run "sudo /etc/fstab", even though fstab isn't an executable. You will only make things worse just randomly typing things in.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 06:58 PM   #133
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Wow, this thread is a complete mess. In my honest opinion, I think this thread should be closed, and a new one re-opened, with none of the BS that has been going on. I am trying to follow everything, but I am completely lost. What exactly is the problem, as of right now?
 
Old 09-29-2011, 07:01 PM   #134
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If you lost your only child, would you say to everybody (..) Question mark?
I'm going to ask you to stop making this type of posts. It doesn't serve any purpose, it only distracts from what should only be a full-on technical discussion, and it's distasteful to boot. And please stop the incessant posting. It's annoying and doesn't serve any purpose either. If you want to blog, tweet or talk that way please use your LQ web log, IRC, IM, Skype or Twitter. You best concentrate on practical tasks at hand.


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But what is the alternative?
Reading threads on LQ shows there's very few members that have actually stayed with a victims thread and can claim they have successfully helped an OP to recover data. Of those I guess about a handful have practical experience with forensics. Any of those would tell you that in recovering data there's no "alternative": you need to have a plan, you need to get in as quick as possible and without disturbing data. Booting a computer from the drive that holds the data, as opposed to the method I suggested in the first reply, greatly diminishes any chance at recovery as data will be written to places on the disk that may hold remnants.


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My data is like my kids. I am willing to die for them.
Actually having backups would best show it's actions and not just words. Having made a backup right after the fact would have been the next best thing. Anything else is not a priority from a data recovery or forensics point of view.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 07:06 PM   #135
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What exactly is the problem, as of right now?
I thought I'd summed it up pretty much OK in post #122. In short, practically speaking:
- the OP doesn't have any external disk available to make backups to and he didn't choose backing up over ethernet,
- he didn't boot from a Live CDROM but started the OS,
- he was talked into doing things that are not data recovery / forensics best practices.
 
  


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