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Old 09-29-2011, 04:18 AM   #91
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I think you are correct. If it made new partitions and then put new filesystems on them, and put new data in those filesystems, you pretty much have no chance of getting back to how it was before. You'll just have to learn from this painful lesson and take more care to keep extra copies of important data in future.


People have told me that the data is still there because my laptop didn't rewrite over the 80GBs of free space that is on this laptop right now. I doubt that the concept of creating new partitions would warrant an automatic rewrite of the whole entire computer.

In other words, when the laptop created brand new partitions, if it rewrote the whole entire hard drive, if it replaced all of my lost data with free space files or free space blanks or free space dots and zeros and ones or something then it probably rewrote over the lost files, data.

In other words, can the creation of new partitions, and the sudden emergence of 80GBs of free space automatically mean that the free space rewrote over the lost data?

Better yet, does the process of creating new partitions include some kind of forced rewrite of the whole entire hard drive?

Losing or deleting a file is one thing but having it rewritten is even worse.

Can free space rewrite over lost partitions, lost files, lost data?

Or can the creation of new partitions, and a new operating system, file directory, and everything, rewrite over the lost data?
 
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In my experience, deleting and recreating a partition often destroys any filesystem that was on that partition. I think sometimes I have been able to delete a partition and recreate it in exactly the same place, and the filesystem was still there. But most often when I tried doing this, the filesystem disappears and needs to be recreated. Naturally all the files are gone in this case too.

Deleting partitions, creating new partitions, making new filesystems on the new partitions, then putting new data on the new filesystems, will completely destroy the data on the old filesystems, and you won't be able to recover it. Maybe a super-duper computer hard disk forensics expert could recover it at great expense, but I know I wouldn't be able to.

This is not simply a case of deleting a few files. You've somehow deleted all your partitions and filesystems, and then recreated them, possibly not even in the same place. Your files are destroyed and can't be recovered, sorry.
 
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should i try gparted
 
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In my experience, deleting and recreating a partition often destroys any filesystem that was on that partition. I think sometimes I have been able to delete a partition and recreate it in exactly the same place, and the filesystem was still there. But most often when I tried doing this, the filesystem disappears and needs to be recreated. Naturally all the files are gone in this case too.

Deleting partitions, creating new partitions, making new filesystems on the new partitions, then putting new data on the new filesystems, will completely destroy the data on the old filesystems, and you won't be able to recover it. Maybe a super-duper computer hard disk forensics expert could recover it at great expense, but I know I wouldn't be able to.

This is not simply a case of deleting a few files. You've somehow deleted all your partitions and filesystems, and then recreated them, possibly not even in the same place. Your files are destroyed and can't be recovered, sorry.




are there any technological forensic surgeons online anywhere ?
 
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I don't have to recover previous partitions, directories, file systems.

Just some of the files, data, videos, documents, pictures.
 
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I have gParted.

Boot into my tower. Go into gParted.

Then magically select my laptop attached via ethernet.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 04:40 AM   #97
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i will probably start a new thread soon if i dont get help
 
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You suggested trying magic. That is probably your best chance, either magic or prayer. There is no technological solution that is affordable and available to you. It would cost at least thousands of dollars to get an expert to try to recover your data, with no guarantee of success. Sorry, your data are gone.
 
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You suggested trying magic. That is probably your best chance, either magic or prayer. There is no technological solution that is affordable and available to you. It would cost at least thousands of dollars to get an expert to try to recover your data, with no guarantee of success. Sorry, your data are gone.


I will not rest until I find some second opinions.

Free Geek
told me they could help me. Maybe it's time to go begging to them now.
 
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You suggested trying magic. That is probably your best chance, either magic or prayer. There is no technological solution that is affordable and available to you. It would cost at least thousands of dollars to get an expert to try to recover your data, with no guarantee of success. Sorry, your data are gone.


The files might be maybe almost un-findable, but if they weren't rewritten over, then they are in there still, somewhere.
 
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If they say they can help, you should go ask them to help.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 05:41 AM   #102
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The files might be maybe almost un-findable, but if they weren't rewritten over, then they are in there still, somewhere.
They were written over. The partitions, filesystems, and all the files were all over-written.

You can test this yourself with a USB key. Make some partitions on it. Make some filesystems on those partitions. Try deleting the partitions, then make them again, and make some new filesystems. You will notice that any files you had before will be gone, and you won't be able to find them.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 05:56 AM   #103
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They were written over. The partitions, filesystems, and all the files were all over-written.

You can test this yourself with a USB key. Make some partitions on it. Make some filesystems on those partitions. Try deleting the partitions, then make them again, and make some new filesystems. You will notice that any files you had before will be gone, and you won't be able to find them.


Your theory is not logical.
 
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They were written over. The partitions, filesystems, and all the files were all over-written.

You can test this yourself with a USB key. Make some partitions on it. Make some filesystems on those partitions. Try deleting the partitions, then make them again, and make some new filesystems. You will notice that any files you had before will be gone, and you won't be able to find them.



Why would 80 GBs of free space destroy lost data?
 
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They were written over. The partitions, filesystems, and all the files were all over-written.

You can test this yourself with a USB key. Make some partitions on it. Make some filesystems on those partitions. Try deleting the partitions, then make them again, and make some new filesystems. You will notice that any files you had before will be gone, and you won't be able to find them.


Why and how would 80 GBs of free space, of free nothingness, kill invisible lost data files?

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They were written over. The partitions, filesystems, and all the files were all over-written.

You can test this yourself with a USB key. Make some partitions on it. Make some filesystems on those partitions. Try deleting the partitions, then make them again, and make some new filesystems. You will notice that any files you had before will be gone, and you won't be able to find them.


Your theory proofs that you can lose data.
 
  


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