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Old 11-29-2003, 03:00 PM   #1
NiklasP
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Newbie starting with Mandrake...


Hello.

I've been using Windows during all my my life but i've been itching to make the jump to Linux for well over a year now. Since i have a mere 56K modem i couldn't download it, but now i've finally gotten my hand on a copy of Mandrake.

Now, before i install anything, is there anything that i should know? For instance, where can i find a mandrake installation guide or perhaps you have some tips to give me? I don't want my temper to ruin my first linux experience, not if I could have prevented it by reading a guide or helpfile.

Thank you.
 
Old 11-29-2003, 03:18 PM   #2
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Which version are you installing? 9.2?

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Old 11-29-2003, 03:33 PM   #3
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http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/Mandrak..._Startup.html/
 
Old 11-29-2003, 08:28 PM   #4
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Or this is a link for mandrake's site.

The only minor "irritation" that you may experiences when starting, would be where you are going to actually put the install i.e. have you already got a spare "partition" or unallocated disc space ?

Modem's - they can be a pain, if it's an internal device, there's a strong likelyhood, that it's a "winmodem" which is a software based modem as opposed to a "proper" modem. Hence after installation, you may end up having to boot back into windows to surf if you have problems getting a modem to work. If you have dsl or cable, you could still have problems, but it's likely that you would just have to work out how to config the device.

during install, and using mandrake 9.1 as an example, just accept all the default's, and at least in theory, you should end up with a working system - when it comes to selecting what packages you want to install, when the dialogue/selection box opens, just select all the stuff down the left of the box and ONLY kde/gnome (or both for a choice during login - mandrakes default is kde).

good luck

regards

John
 
Old 11-30-2003, 09:19 AM   #5
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Thanks to everyone who replied. Here is a little update on the situation. I had alot of... crap programs on my computer, so before i install mandrake i wanted a fresh start. So i formated my entire drive. I intended to make three partitions of it, one for Win2K, one for Mandrake and a third one for storage.

So, i formated the entire drive and i was installing Windows again, i made the 3 partitions, but then i encountered an 'irreversible error' and the computer rebooted. Same thing happened again and again. So i tried formating the drive again, so that the unfinished windowsinstallation could be removed and i could start over. But somehow, that didn't work. Format C: was a 'Bad command or file name.'

So i though what the heck and reached for my mandrake cds and installed it, made the three partitions. But just as the installation was complete i was asked what graphics device i wanted to use. Now, since i didn't know which one that would suit me best, i picked the top one. I think it was called kmd or something. So, mandrake started and i logged in. Only to find that i had picked some kind of text graphics device...thing that i don't know the commands for, thus i can't operate it.

Now, since i didn't really know what i was doing when i was installing i think i'll be better of by reinstalling the whole thing with the help of a guide. So right now, i'm booting from the cd and the setupprogram launches. Seing as i know have an installation guide i think it'll go better this time.

Oh, its Mandrake 9.0 i though i mentioned it somewhere earlier, but there must be soome way of updating that later when i get Cable or DSL or perhaps on a lanparty, yes?

Thanks again.

Last edited by NiklasP; 11-30-2003 at 09:26 AM.
 
Old 11-30-2003, 09:59 AM   #6
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Don't worry... Mandrake 9.2 is easy... I started dual booting with win98 and MDK 9.2 about a week ago. This is my 3rd try and now everything is nice and smooth. Just make sure you know a little about partitioning and Linux drive names ex-"hda, hda1" and stuff like that...
Before installing Linux I created 3 new partitions (/,swap,/home)in my hard disk using Partition Magic in Windows...
 
Old 11-30-2003, 10:13 AM   #7
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Well NiklasP,

If you're still struggling with the graphics thing, you could just re-install the mandrake, but tell it to do the install, and not the upgrade. I haven't heard of that many people upgrading successfully, as far as I can make out most seem to just re-install - though there must be those who have upgraded successfully.

Personally, I have got the last two versions of mandrake from mandrake themselves (yes I have read stuff where people have had problems doing this - but I haven't).

The way I do a re-install is to install the system, setting passwords etc, then I get my windows fonts from my system (this can be done afterwards if you didn't manage to get your windows re-installed by surfing for corefonts and getting the corefonts and the cabextract packages - there's rpm's available I think).

During the install, I tell it not to download updates. I then modify my urpmi sources by surfing to here and follow the instructions. I get urpmi sources for plf, texstar, main, contrib, extras (I think that's what it's called) and jpackage. the reason for this is because a lot of the plf, texstar, extra's and contrib are much nicer looking than the basic stuff on the disc's and in some cases, it's more up to date, a good example is the xmms multimedia player - the latest one is available via texstar or plf, but you should use rpmdrake- in the software manager of the mandrake control centre first - but you should use the facilities sparingly if you only have dial up connection - some of them can take a while to install. Oh and I personally always get the opera browser - I prefer it to mozilla or konqueror.

Oh, and while I remember, if you've got your modem running ok, I'd surf for "partitions managers", there's at least 1 free one, but I don't remember the name (i think it begins with R) - and check out this thread of mine and any others that you can find about partitions - In truth, I don't understand it all but if you've only just started with linux, you will probably have lots of learning to do as well, but I'm only re-installing my mandrake on 1 partition, because I was too impatient to wait and learn what I needed to do - I normally run 2 different distro's, but I'm getting the mandrake working and then I'll do a second distro "proper" on a multi partition basis when I've worked it out.

I digress, only when I've got my system to my satisfaction, do I then use the software manager in the "MCC" to check for updates, that way, I won't have missed any that I might need to the extra stuff that I choose to install (and yes, I do like all the "eye candy" stuff, but it can take a while to download via a dial up, hell, it takes long enough with my dsl connection).

Oh, and until I screwed up my system recently, I used a hard disc install of Knoppix 3.3 for my second distro - if you know someone with a dsl/cable connection, get them to download it for you, then you just need to get it burned to disc. It will run entirely from the cd (as in a "live" distribution). But if you install it to hard drive (there's instructions at the knoppix forums it becomes, basically a debian install - then you also get to experience the difference between an RPM based distro and a Deb based distro, and installing knoppix to hard is a lot easier than installing "proper" debian (I found that to be mega hard, and a pain that took me a long time to sort out). You can also show a linux distro to your friends with the knoppix cd.

Hope some of this helps.

regards

John
 
Old 11-30-2003, 11:06 AM   #8
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I've gotten a lot of use out of these....

http://linux.miningco.com/library/gl...?PM=ss12_linux

http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/lnag_commands.html

On the 'Shortcuts and commands' link....click the botton for chapter #1 at the top and skim thru the whole book. Lots of good stuff. Pretty deep but thats why I said to just 'skim' it.

http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:28 PM   #9
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Some good links there sofasurfer - I often look for the easier to read stuff, because IMO the vast majority of linux documentation is a pile of pooh!

Our linux and linux app developers are masters at coding, idea's, etc etc, but it would appear that they can't write documentation for shit! - I include tldp in this, their motives are brilliant, but like most, they have forgotten what it's like to have to actually read and understand.

regards

John

p.s. And this IS meant to come across as "constructive critiscm" and not just general bitching!
 
Old 11-30-2003, 01:46 PM   #10
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Originally posted by NiklasP

Oh, its Mandrake 9.0 i though i mentioned it somewhere earlier, but there must be soome way of updating that later when i get Cable or DSL or perhaps on a lanparty, yes?
You can also get the new version (Download/Standard, PowerPack, or even ProSuite) on CD for just a few dollars on Ebay. If you get 9.0 working to your satisfaction, though, you might just want to wait until you've got highspeed or a local friend can burn you a copy. I'd prefer the later, personally; I've got highspeed access and it took me a couple days to get good copies of 9.2 downloaded. In retrospect, I should have bought the CD's instead of tying up my bandwidth for so long.

BookMaven528

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