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Old 04-18-2005, 05:05 AM   #1
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Newbie Linux questions.


Hi folks. I'm hoping that some of you could help someone who knows no techniqial Linux jargon or commands. Someone with a windows background.

Having looked through the `Easiest/User Friendly Linux' thread I've decided to cut my teeth on Knoppix 3.7 and when I'm familiar with that, go onto Qubuntu. But here's where I need help.

1.How vital is it that I learn the commands involved? My main reason for liking XP so much is that I can use it with the minimum amount of fuss, thanks to it's GUI and little typing. What forum is best for more info?

2.Where could I find a website with step-by-step instructions to connect to the 'net? Maybe an Australian one? My thinking being that people in the same country would be best able to help each other. But not essencial. My ISP will allow me to use linux, but it's support lines won't help me. What forum is best for connections

3.Can I run games on linux that are designed for Windows at all? Again what forum is best for addition information.

4.What should I be aware of when starting out using linux?

Thought I had more questions (and better ones), but no.
Hope someone can help.

The Colourful Jester out.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 05:19 AM   #2
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First suggestion is not to decide on a distribution until you answer all of your other questions first.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 05:58 AM   #3
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Hello TC Jester.....
just keep one thing in mind that there is no easy way out to learn linux other than being curious, patient and hardworking. Everyone here....from newbie...to "guru" started from scratch ................
u too will have to follow the same path.
regarding yr questions....
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1> its always better to learn commands rather than moving mouse here and there.
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2>try "kppp" for having connection to internet.
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3>i don't know abt. the games..
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4>being a newbie u don't have to be aware of anything using linux..........by time u will learn the things...
regards.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 06:04 AM   #4
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1. It is pretty vital that you learn the command prompt, and eventually you will realize that this is a healthy and normal thing. There are a lot of things that can be done within the gui, but a lot of things must be done via the terminal.

2. Internet connectilons are relatively easy to setup. If you have dsl Knoppix comes with a program to set it up over ethernet very simply. Once it is setup you run pppoe & and pon dsl-provider as root and you are online, no worries.

3. Yes you can, a lot of games work through a program called Wine, You should do a search here and on google for more information. There is the Software >> Games forum here for some info.

4. That you need to be willing to deal with a learning curve, and have the patience to do so. If you want Linux to be just like Windows only better, well it's not. It's better, that's a given, but it's definately not just like Windows, because you have options and control. You pay for those options and control through the absolute need to learn more about your computer. There are so many different window managers you can use. Gnome, KDE, fluxbox, fvwm, enlightenment. You have choices in Linux, and those choices can be overwhelming. Take things one step at a time.

Knoppix is a very good place for a newbie to start. I use Debian (upon which Knoppix is based) and the learning curve for Debian is a bit more steep. I do not know, however, if Knoppix has it's own complete listing of packages and what not, that could be best answered by someone who uses Knoppix as their main distro, as it is primarily used as a Live-CD.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 08:17 AM   #5
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Yup, the command prompt is really really REALLY important.
Most Distros have graphical utility's, but most of the answers you'll get from forums and books are generic command line solutions.

Mebbe you should not switch to linux...

Just so I don't get excommunicated, Try anyway. Seriously.

PS.
After the bash shell, the dos prompt in XP is childs play. and deficient like heck.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 03:49 PM   #6
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From what he's saying, I think maybe Linspire or Xandros purchased versions might be best. If he wants to avoid the command line at all costs, and just click his way through.

That's why I don't think knoppix is a good first stop. He'll need the command line. Knoppix is good, but it ain't a hand-holding kind of OS. The beforementioned OS's have graphical installs and graphical icons for beginners. It costs money, but that's they are made for. Beginners.

My 2 cents. If that doesn't work, the next step would be not to use linux if you don't want to learn at all.. but, as a previous poster said- that's heresy. Linux is really not hard to learn. It's the most documented OS on the planet, even compared to Microsoft- in fact moreso. In any case, it's your choice.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 04:33 PM   #7
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I would disagree with the command line comments, to the extent that KDE has evolved to where just about everything is graphical/icons. not that that is a good or bad thing, and naturally its not the most efficient or complete method, but I can't think of much that KDE doesn't cover....

that said, if you don't really care about learning how it works, then why not just stay with m$?
 
Old 04-19-2005, 07:27 PM   #8
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It all must start with one more question first...

TC Jester,

What is your purpose for using Linux? What do you want Linux to do?

I personally love Linux...though I am still mostly a wide-eyed newbie who marvels at the power of this wondrous kernel. I can tell you that I was intimidated by the Bash (or the "prompt") It took me 10 minutes to warm up to it.

Once you get used to typing at the shell, you will find how much faster it is navigating through folders and manipulating commands. Through the "at" command...you can have your computer print out your grocery list next Tuesday or shutdown another computer on your network... COOL!

Wine and Cedaga are compatibility layers that will allow you to run *many* Windows programs. Windows is closed source so the developers do not have an easy time of it...same problem with most internal modems. (So called soft modems or Win modems...they depend on Windows drivers to work)

For the most part, you cannot expect to Linux to serve as your gaming machine.

You CAN look into what is called a dual-boot system which will allow you to boot into Windows OR Linux.

Hooking up to broadband is very simple - if not automagic. Many distributions will detect your modem and will obtain an Internet connection.

I guess the final thing I'll add is: Linux is not Windows.

Mohtech
 
Old 04-19-2005, 10:43 PM   #9
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hey TC Jester
i would recommend only 2 things for linux

exploring and pateince

u just keep on exploring ,oree and more on linux with some pateince and your problems will be solved
as far as your problems are concerned
i could not find a better place than LQ to post my problems
so keep them coming

regards
 
Old 04-20-2005, 02:34 AM   #10
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Where abouts in Australia are you? There are user groups all over the place, I've personally never been to one but it probably wouldn't be too bad

Nah, starting out on linux is hard, no question about it. But once you figure everything out, it makes so much sense and you can do so much cool stuff you'll wonder how Windows users can survive all cramped up like that.

Last edited by cs-cam; 04-20-2005 at 02:39 AM.
 
Old 04-12-2007, 03:56 AM   #11
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I can't believe I'm upping a two year old thread, but I've now have a new question.

I think I've decided on Ubuntu, but what would be the minimum hardware needed to run it these days?
 
Old 04-12-2007, 05:39 AM   #12
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The hardware requirements are not overly strenuous. The easiest way - what hardware do you have.

You should be able to get away with about 500MHz and 256Mb RAM as a minimum. If you have an old machine, try Xubuntu, which has a lighter desktop that standard Ubuntu.

--Ian
 
Old 04-12-2007, 09:41 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TC Jester
I can't believe I'm upping a two year old thread, but I've now have a new question.

I think I've decided on Ubuntu, but what would be the minimum hardware needed to run it these days?
You're taking way to long to make a decision.....

Seriously--just go for it. Start with the LiveCD to get your feet wet.

Going back 2 years:
Quote:
1.How vital is it that I learn the commands involved? My main reason for liking XP so much is that I can use it with the minimum amount of fuss, thanks to it's GUI and little typing. What forum is best for more info?
This is one of the big problems with Windows--people are made slaves to the GUI.
It's easier to learn a few basic commands that to try and find ways around it.
 
Old 04-12-2007, 01:55 PM   #14
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If you learn to use the command line you're not going to be dependent on comparatively short lived GUI tools. So I would recommend that too. But it's true that with a modern day gnome or kde, you need relatively little command line.
And yeah, just install something already
 
  


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