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Old 07-12-2006, 08:55 PM   #1
Nick Petersen
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New Install Suse 10.1, Some working, a Lot NOT working


Hello,

Thanks ahead for any assistance.
I just installed my first ever Linux, chose Suse 10.1. I burned the 6 CDs, and all said and done, it actually installed and basically works (I half expected it to not only work, but to kill my whole computer -- Im COMPLETELY new to Linux)! I have a Compaq Presario V5000, AMD Sempron 2Ghz, 512Ram, 60G hard (I chose the GNOME). Things it actually did that I was quite impressed with: immediately had my USB ports in use, without any messing with it. It even had my printer working without installing any software. Well, that's better than Windows XP which couldn't even make my Printer work without installed software!

OKAY, so my problems:
1) It only used the first 3 of the 5 CDs (not counting the Add-on CD). So I had the desktop (the system) up and working, but WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER TWO CDS??!! Frustratingly, it didn't even get me any guidance on what to do, if indeed some installations weren't complete. A simple note at the start would have been something for further guidance.

2) Point one seems quite pertinent in that a number of things do NOT seem to be working (which is perhaps because those other CDs didn't get installed).

>The Media players it installed do NOT work. They don't play ANY files, I get notifications like, there is no DECODER installed. I have a strong feeling that the problem involved with that is due to much 'stuff' never getting installed in the system, like on those CDs. I would really like to avoid rabit trails of fixing every program individually (note that out of 3 media players (amaroK, banshee, one other) ALL have this problem-- or whatever there problem is, they don't play! thats for sure). Furthermore, like in Banshee, when I click 'Plugins,' instead of giving me options for installing something that might NOT have got installed, it just lists one plugin (Music Sharing) with NO options for getting needed plugins.

3) Wine, an obviuosly important application, WHERE IS IT! (And a slightly diff. question In Windows most programs are installed in "Program Files," IS THERE AN EQUIVALENT for Linux?

4) I tried a lot of messing around with YAST, but after seeming to have installed a lot more stuff from the CDs (I guess), NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED!!! I even watched it install a BUNCH of media players WITH A TON OF PLUGINS, and STILL, NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Furthermore, it installed WINE, all 38 Mgs, and took a bit of time too, but, WHERE IS IT? I have looked around for how it works, but the most essential information (like, accessing it!) is nowhere to find. I also put-in a CD with a personal application to install, thinking, maybe "Wine" would pop up with some help, but nothing. Also, I tried to use Yast to access this application to install (from CD), completely unsuccessful.

Well, all around, I am pretty much stopped in my tracks. I could recount every step I tried to do in messing with Yast, hoping it might install stuff from those other CDs, OR, also, install some personal applications. Nothing. The media players don't work. Who knows what else might not work. So, WHAT DO I DO FROM HERE?

5) This question may be covered in answers to the above questions, but: in general, is there any thing special I need to know for how programs are installed in Linux/Suse? Is Yast supposed to be the solution?
thanks thanks thanks, nick
 
Old 07-12-2006, 09:34 PM   #2
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Okay, I don't use Suse, but I'll take a stab at some of them.

1) The last two CD's are probably little used programs or niche programs that most people don't need/want to use. I'm sure not everything was installed by default in your Suse install. On Debian, for example, there are over 15,000 different packages that can be installed (something like 13 CDs). Of those, you can get a working system with the first 1-2 CDs depending on what you want installed. So don't worry that it didn't ask for those CDs. If you try to install something through Yast that is on those CDs, it will probably prompt you for it.

2) Media is a strange animal in linux because the codecs for decoding music and video are generally non-free (as in freedom to modify, distribute, etc). Therefore, most distros you download off the web won't include them by default because they are completely Open Source and require this freedom in packages they distribute. They are usually easy to install though. You basically point Yast at something on the web and it grabs and installs them. You'll have to google or visit the Suse forum for help on that.

3) Most things get installed to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin (bin stands for binary). If something didn't get a shortcut created in your menu, go to a command line and then type whereis programX. It'll probably tell you /usr/bin. Then you can create a shortcut for it.

4) If you're trying to install a Windows application (i.e. something.exe) you have to install it via Wine (or one of its commercial siblings). But don't be surprised if it doesn't work. Windows programs are NOT linux programs just like Macintosh programs are not Windows programs.

As for what to do from here, you'll basically have to do a lot of unlearning of how things were done in windows. Linux is different and will take some reading/googling to get used to the differences.

5) I believe for Suse, Yast is the thing you're looking for, unless you want to install a windows program, then you're looking for wine...
 
Old 07-12-2006, 11:58 PM   #3
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Thanks,

So 1) The install from the CDs was probably fine (only needed first few CDs), 2) Media players always require extra attention anyways on linux (due to the non-free reasons listed).

My main problems probably rest with Yast and Wine.
Yast. I have been looking, but:

DOES ANYONE KNOW A REALLY REALLY GOOD tutorial on using Yast? Perhaps this would solve some problems.

Thanks for your reply.

Nick
 
Old 07-13-2006, 12:16 PM   #4
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You might search these forums. Google came up with this from these forums.

Here's another one that might help you get some stuff setup.

Good luck, I'm way out of my knowledge base (which is already pretty small) now that we're into Suse specific stuff...
 
Old 07-13-2006, 02:19 PM   #5
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Nick Petersen,
I installed Suse 10.1 a few times, I have a motherboard with a raid configuration and after changing to standard hard drives I was able to install Suse, I ran into login problems which I've noticed has happened to other people also. I also had problems and had to change the compatibility mode before Suse would install. I've been able to install Suse and it seems to be working, I'm new to linux. Right now I'm trying to get it to be able to use the modem.
I wanted to ask if you clicked into the tabs to choose the software you wanted to install. I believe by default it will install the minimum software.
Carl2
 
Old 07-13-2006, 02:25 PM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Petersen
Thanks,
DOES ANYONE KNOW A REALLY REALLY GOOD tutorial on using Yast? Perhaps this would solve some problems.
Nick
I do!

here you go!

I recommend reading the whole thing - you'll be much enlightened after 5-10 minutes....

BTW - stick with it.... SuSE r0X!

-R
 
Old 07-13-2006, 03:50 PM   #7
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Replies, and, How to switch from GNOME to KDE

Quick question pertaining to the above subject listing:

Im finding most sites assume KDE is the default desktop (if that's the way to view it). How does one change over from Gnome to KDE?

That said, you guys are Great! Thanks both for the references to Yast sites.

pljvaldez, that was a great site (new users with any problems getting flash/java, and media players/dvd players playing, it may help: w_ww.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7527984757.html) that not only was helpful, it was SUCCESSFUL. My Media player is working, as of a few minutes ago. I must say, even the biggest brilliant genius in the world couldn't know that they needed to do some of those very specific things to get some fundamental services going on their computer, so, I wonder why some basic instructions like that aren't offered to the new user at start up? Thanks for the site.

rwc_zippy, I just briefly checked out that site (spinink.net/suse-for-windows-users/), it looks like it may actually be a comprehensive (that is, it doesn't make too many assumptions) explanation of using Yast. Thanks, I will definitely have to read more.

Carl 12: "I wanted to ask if you clicked into the tabs to choose the software you wanted to install. I believe by default it will install the minimum software."

If I understand right, you are refering to during the main installation of the system? If so, I did NOT see such an option -- to install minimum or complete, etc software. In fact, I was expecting some screen like that from a short video I saw on installing SUSE 10.1 (sorry guys, I can't find the link to that now). In that video it showed a screen where one could check/uncheck software installtion packages. I hope that answers your question. It sounds like you know of such an option at installation? Good luck on your modem issue!

Nick
 
Old 07-14-2006, 11:06 PM   #8
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Nick Petersen,
I have to do this from memory, frist my main reason for using Linux would be for freedom of malware from the internet. I chose KDE because ATT, my dial up server choose it. I saw it on one of the frist screens and choose it. I can visualize the screen and remember it because this screen also allows you to choose the hard drive format; Fat, ect, and it allows you to partition the drive. I belive this screen has two settings, one is normal and the other is detailed and you probably need the detailed screen to get to these settings. After I did the drive I choose the software to install, the additional software is on CD 6 and it will ask you to put in CD 6 but dosen't install it until later. For the rest of the software you have check boxes. I installed it several times trying the fat and different partitions, as well as changes to the software.
I'll probably buy an external modem, USB port is reccomended for ease of instulation, I'm pretty sure I'll have to reinstall Linux so it will search for the modem, I'd be able to give you better details. Dosen't hurt to reinstall just takes time.
Carl2
 
Old 07-15-2006, 09:35 AM   #9
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Look at my signature for the media support, it's a matter of minutes setting it up.
Stay with gnome would be my recommendation. Installing kde is not a problem. I think there is a kde-desktop package you can install via yast, that will give you an option to start with kde at the login screen (under "session).
I preferred, and still prefer kde, but it has given me problems with the latest suse and ubuntu, so I switched to gnome. I got used to it by now, and if you're new, it won't make any difference for you. You might run into more problems with kde, since it's more complex.
I would recommend looking into the 'smart' - package manager as installer application. It loads much faster than the yast package manager - which has many cool features, but if you install a few programs every day, like I used to do when I started with linux, it can get pretty annoying.

Post which programs you would like to run in linux. There should be an alternative for most of them. Wine should be the last resort as it will make the apps run slower and less stable in most cases.

Have fun, don't get discouraged, you'll have to un-learn alot of things. Unfortunately windows-knowledge is mostly contra-productive when starting with linux.

Only install programs with a package manager!
You can compile, and some programs have installer-apps, but 99 of 100 times it is better to install with a package manager.

Last edited by oskar; 07-15-2006 at 09:38 AM.
 
Old 07-18-2006, 08:34 PM   #10
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Nick Petersen,
Doing a fresh install of Linux, I just bought a USB external modem from Robotics. I can't find the modem in Linux, tried it in windows and it was found during loading and windows asked for a driver. The manual and the Robotics website dosen't mention Linux for this modem. I'm pretty sure the drivers are just for the leds.
I wrote down the instillation process, Computer boots from CD. The frist screen is for the mouse, hit next; screen 2 is language, hit next; screen 3 is media check, hit next; screen 4 is license yes, hit next; screen 5 is analyze computer, (error message about Bios raid, ok) click new installation, click include add on products, hit next; screen 6 is add on products install, add click CD check, install Add on CD, continue click, screen 7 license yes check, add on products, hit next; screen 8 is clock and time, hit next; screen 9 is the desktop, choose KDE or Gnome, hit next; screen 10 is install settings, Change which is at the bottom, ( I reformatted the partition using reiserfs), change software which allows you to choose the software installed.
This should be somewhat accurate, and give you a better idea about the screens and options you have, I've used the back feature a few times.
I'm on CD 4 and should know soon if Linux will work with this modem.
Carl2
 
  


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