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Old 11-10-2013, 08:10 PM   #1
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New and confused :(


Hello everyone I am indeed new like the title says but I will get straight to the point. Please remember any help is greatly appreciated.

Three months ago my original laptops hard drive died and as much as I would love to just replace it I cannot. I have a 3.0 usb toshiba 500gb external which I have tried over four times trying to get it to run linux off of it. Problem is no matter what software I use to install linux onto this external I either get a
"read error" or "Boot error"

I went to college for 2 years part time (CSET) and worked with terminal a bit but do not have the slightest clue on how to work the entire system (Linux Mint)

Things I have tried

Extracted iso into external: "boot error"

linux usb creator: "read error"

unetbootin: "read error"

made a bootable thumb drive, logged on, and installed linux to my externals
/sdc1 (/sdc new partition would only wipe the external and place a new partition on /sdc1)

result was the same: "read error"


I do not know if it is me or the drive? or just the computer but I have been trying for 3 days now wether it be looking up tutorials online, youtube videos, and anything else I can think of...

Any insight as to why this is happening or even a solution would be very appreciated. I also need help with running certain windows programs on linux afterward (hackshield and gameguard required)

laptop: compaq presario a900
 
Old 11-10-2013, 10:55 PM   #2
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Problem is no matter what software I use to install linux onto this external I either get a
"read error" or "Boot error"
You will need to clarify what exactly that means.

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Extracted iso into external: "boot error"
That in itself won't work although it is possible to extract and copy and create a boot menu after installing the bootloader. I doubt you would be able to do that.

What exactly did you do with unetbootin? What operating system are you using with unetbootin, windows? a Linux distribution? How did you make the bootable thumb drive, unetbootin? something else? At what point in the installation do you get the read error? Generally, after you create a bootable thumb drive with software like unetbootin, you reboot with that drive set to first boot priority and will be taken to a Deskto with an install icon where you begin the install. You will need to create a partition during the install which you should see and be given options which is where the sdc1 comes in. That would also mean you have at least two other drives attached. Answer the questions above and someone should be able to point you in the right direction.

Is there some reason you can not use a CD/DVD to boot and install from?

You might try reading the link below which is a tutorial for installing Mint 15 and is about as detailed as you will find.

http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfec...mint-15-olivia
 
Old 11-10-2013, 11:03 PM   #3
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Can you format the drive wiping all data (or perhaps shrink current partition) and then install Linux to a new partition on the drive?

Check the first link in my signature download some live CD\DVDs burn and use to...

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Old 11-10-2013, 11:45 PM   #4
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@yancek

It means What I posted.

I have a linux bootable thumb drive atm (what I am using right now to get help) and a 500gb external drive.

I run the install linux, select the 500gb drive and "new partition" to wipe it brand new.

I select /sdc1 and hit the + button creating a 460gb ext4 partition in / directory
I then make a "swap" with the remaining space.

I click the /sdc and install.
It will install and download the language packs.

It tells me it is done and I can either continue testing or reboot.
I restart and remove the thumb drive selecting my external as 1st boot.
The computer starts then stay with a black screen with "read error" and nothing else. no code no explination and I have to plug in and go back to my thumb drive.

As for dvd/cd burning both our working laptops have broken cd drives hence why I use the thumb drive.


@jamison

I have formated this external over 4 times trying ntfs AND exFAT (does not have FAT32 but has exFAT)

each time giving same results when reinstalling and booting from startup.

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Old 11-10-2013, 11:57 PM   #5
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What distro?
The root partition should probably be ext3 or ext4 (not exFAT or NTFS).
Maybe the installer does that anyway, even if you format it as such beforehand (I would expect some sort of warning at the partitioning stage if trying to install to a filesystem that doesnt support posix permissions.

Probably your boot error is simply due to grub not being installed to the external drive (installer may default to sda unless you tell it otherwise).

Again, all just guesses until you provide some useful information.
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It means What I posted.

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Old 11-11-2013, 12:10 AM   #6
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I think I know what happened. The installer saw the pendrive as (hd0,0) and the external hard drive as (hd1,0)
and or pendrive as /dev/sda and installed external hard drive as /dev/sdb.

Hence the error when pendrive is pulled. You need to manually edit grubscreen when it comes up and hand edit it till it boots
to a desktop (e key I think does that on grub screen, been a while since I had to do that).

A old how to of mine showing something something similar happening to me.

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I press any key to continue. Next I press the "e" key to get me to edit the grub entry for booting root. I press e again on the next page. I change the root entry (hd2,0) to (hd0,0), I press enter. Then I press the letter "b" so I can boot. Antix 8.2 Final is now booting up. I press the space bar again to continue with the booting process.
http://yatsite.blogspot.com/2009/07/...s-eee-900.html
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:10 AM   #7
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What distro?
The root partition should probably be ext3 or ext4 (not exFAT or NTFS).
Maybe the installer does that anyway, even if you format it as such beforehand (I would expect some sort of warning at the partitioning stage if trying to install to a filesystem that doesnt support posix permissions.

Probably your boot error is simply due to grub not being installed to the external drive (installer may default to sda unless you tell it otherwise).

Again, all just guesses until you provide some useful information.
linux mint 15 with ext4. the formatting to exfat or ntfs was before i started using my thumb drive to install

If there is specific info you need from me you need to list it all so I can answer otherwise I can only tell you how I installed step by step.

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Old 11-11-2013, 12:15 AM   #8
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I think I know what happened. The installer saw the pendrive as (hd0,0) and the external hard drive as (hd1,0)
and or pendrive as /dev/sda and installed external hard drive as /dev/sdb.

Hence the error when pendrive is pulled. You need to manually edit grubscreen when it comes up and hand edit it till it boots
to a desktop (e key I think does that on grub screen, been a while since I had to do that).

A old how to of mine showing something something similar happening to me.



http://yatsite.blogspot.com/2009/07/...s-eee-900.html
If it did see the pendrive this way would the pendrive be listed under install? If so this is not the case as the only object that shows up is my external /sdc and /sdc1 when I select to install under "something else"
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:25 AM   #9
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Never used the mint installer so I can't be specific (presumably just the buntu one with MINT drawn over it).

Can you use it to boot a 'rescue mode'?
Or just to a live desktop would work too.

Then chroot to your ext drive install and install grub to the mbr of that drive.
(replace 'sda' with the correct device)

Or just reinstall again and look for the option to specify the correct drive for the bootloader.

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Old 11-11-2013, 12:30 AM   #10
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So perhaps: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t...6-start-0.html or https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=144692 ?
 
Old 11-11-2013, 01:28 AM   #11
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Edited because previous posters had better answer than mine.

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Old 11-11-2013, 02:13 AM   #12
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@decendant there is no "rescue mode" anywhere

this is how my external looks after installation of mint cinnimon 15 olivia

__________type___mount-point_______format size____used____system
/dev/sdc <---can NOT be modified/installed to
/dev/sdc1 ext 4_____________________10000mb_______3743____linux mint 15 olivia (has grub installed)
/dev/sdc6 ext 4____________________480000mb_______7998
/dev/sdc5 swap_____________________10000mb__________0

When I try to access any of these from my thumb drive terminal to edit any of them I get "access denied" So if I DO have to edit anything I apparantly can't...

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Old 11-11-2013, 02:35 AM   #13
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That looks fine.
Now follow the link in my previous post and (re)install grub to the MBR of that disk.
 
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That looks fine.
Now follow the link in my previous post and (re)install grub to the MBR of that disk.

firs step does not work already. i input fdisk -l in the terminal and it acts as if i never even entered it
and again when i try to access any of the sdc's i get the reponse "access denied"

Unsure if this is the reason but mint 15 requires u to make a login with pass. If there is a way to unlock it i have not learned that far

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:58 AM   #15
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The mint15 on the external disk is not running, so any users/passwords from that are irrelevant to this process.

You need root priveleges on your live system to perform the commands, either by logging in as root with 'su' or (presumably) by using sudo to prefix the individual commands (not sure how this is dealt with in mint-live, but it should be documented on their site).
 
  


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