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Old 05-27-2013, 11:50 AM   #1
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Angry Mint Maya Installation Fiasco


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I decided to install Mint today as the sole operating system on my Dell Inspiron 1100.
My first attempt failed after the system started installing then offered a slide show. I pressed the forward arrow to look and the screen never changed, it also stopped moving the installation bar. I gave it half an hour and nothing happened so switched off and started again.
If you are not supposed to press anything why show arrows????? Or at least show a message saying don't press anything.
Tried again and did not touch anything all seemed OK. I pressed restart.
I got the dell logo and then a black screen I waited, and waited again, I waited about 20 minutes and eventually shut it off.
Is that it? Trashed or what?

I can't find an emoticon with tears so it will have to be the angry one.
Margaret
 
Old 05-27-2013, 12:19 PM   #2
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You're having a bumpy ride with Linux! In this case, the problem might be a bad installation disk.
1. did you check the iso you downloaded?
2. have you run the disk checker that's available when the Mint disk starts?
 
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Old 05-27-2013, 12:53 PM   #3
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Hello David
Why is nothing ever simple? We checked the iso and it ran as a live system off the disc fine it was just so slow it was difficult to use. I never got offered a checker when it started.
My husband did a bit of web searching (I had given up in disgust) and found a suggestion of keep pressing "esc" when the Dell logo shows up. He tried this a few times and once got a mint screen but only on about a quarter of the area of the laptop screen, it did seem to work though, but mostly times nothing. He even got the "grub?" screen which had four options mint, mint recovery and two test things.
He selected the top one which is linux "normal" and pressed edit and got a list weird stuff he pressed "esc" to return to the "grub" menu and selected the first one and pressed enter this gave a normal mint screen that worked OK.
So the installation is there it just doesn't start in a sensible way. Randomly pressing "esc" is truly ridiculous.

Margaret (the disheartened)

P.S. The day started well with Pete running my old cross stitch program in "wine" on his dual boot Compaq.
 
Old 05-27-2013, 12:53 PM   #4
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Hi

Can you try to run as live dvd? There should be an option to run without installing to hard drive. See how it runs then
 
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:16 PM   #5
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Hi Margaret,
The Dell Inspiron 1100 notebook seems to be on the low end of the specs scale. Maybe Linux Mint is a bit too demanding for it. I'd suggest you try a less demanding distro that plays well with a low-spec machine. Give Puppy or Lubuntu LiveCD a try and see if the performance is any better.
http://www.puppylinux.com/
http://lubuntu.net/
Ciao,
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:05 PM   #6
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Or if you really like Linux Mint then download the Xfce edition that way it wont use too much of the video resources in your laptop.
keep in mind that each laptop is different and with age they will required to be more selective on what to install in them, Perhaps a light weight graphical interface will be more suitable for your laptop LXDE and Xfce are full desktop environment designed to be light weight. Give them a try in your laptop.

Lubuntu is another good suggestion -------------> http://lubuntu.net/

Good luck to you.

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Old 05-27-2013, 05:30 PM   #7
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Hello

Spikey we ran it as a live DVD which worked but very slowly. I liked what I saw so I decided to install it.
Jdkay and TroN I looked at the requirements for Mint and apparently my poor little Dell has allegedly got what it takes. (It has twice the original Ram as we updated it some time ago). I picked Mint as is is supposedly easy. Ho Ho Ho!
My husband continued to fiddle with it and managed to click "esc" at the right time and Mint loaded correctly. Full screen and everything. He then downloaded all the updates one of which was to do with "grub". It asked him if he wanted it so he said yes. He then tried restarting and Mint opened but in the quarter screen version. It worked but he couldn't make it full screen.
As it worked as a live DVD I do not understand why it won't work now.

Margaret Still Miffed
 
Old 05-28-2013, 04:45 AM   #8
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The 1100 is junk. Old junk at that. I managed to get Ubuntu running on it, (probably 2010) but video was always a problem. It uses the i810 chip which reserves only a minimal amount of RAM for the video and uses a Windows driver that loads at boot and allocates more RAM to the i810.
Under Linux you used to have to force a module to load and grab some RAM before X (the GUI) starts. Current systems would use the (Linux) Intel driver to manage that automagically. I'm not too sure how all that would work with KMS - if you can get the grub menu to load (try the <Shift> key instead of <Esc>) try a "recovery" option - the video will be lower quality, but should work properly.

If you get all that sorted, we'll need to fix that grub time-out too ...
 
Old 05-29-2013, 01:08 PM   #9
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Sorry, but I never checked the specification of your computer. It's not junk, but it's small. How much memory do you have? Is it the basic 256MB version? If that's the case, then it's surprising that Mint ran at all.

I'd recommend Zorin OS Light
http://www.linuxquestions.org/review...page/15/sort/7
That has a minimum requirement of a PII and 128MB, so a Celeron and 256MB will be lavish.
 
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:57 AM   #10
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Hello

Today was NOT a good day. I could not sleep so got up and did some searching in the Mint forums about black screens, there is a lot to look at. There was also an article from one of the moderators about the difficulty of putting Mint on elderly laptops. It took him ten goes and four hours and he is obviously an expert. What hope have I got?
I printed some instructions for altering things in Grub. I was then about to look at some other distro's and the power went off. Fortunately it was only for a few minutes, had breakfast and tried fiddling with Mint.
Today it came on with a small (about to 1/3) sized window in the top right hand corner. It did seem to work but when I restarted I got the black screen again, so tried the instructions I got from the Mint forum.
This said hold down the left shift key during boot up and the grub menu will show.
It did and I amended a line by adding “nomodeset xforcevesa” as shown and continued the boot. The screen was still small but in the middle but was flickering all the time and had sort of stripes on it. Shut of restarted and went to remove the rubbish line but it had not saved it anyway so continued the boot. I got the black screen again so my husband had a go and got the small right hand screen an tried the amendment suggested in via terminal. This was sudo pluma /etc/default/grub
This opened and once I had entered my password several times.
(No one said the cursor does not move! Where is the sense in that!!!!!!!!)
I tried altering GRUB CMDLINE LINUX=”” to GRUB CMDLINE LINUX=” reboot=efi”
Restarted again and got the small middle screen with appalling flicker. Gave up and my husband tried the other suggested amendments bios acpi and pci. Non made any difference. I decided to look for another distro and just to complete my technical disaster the phone line died. So no progress was made.
I suppose I have learnt three things,
1. Messing about in grub and terminal does not actually make things worse, alas neither does it make things any better .
2. Do not trust anything it says on the Mint site.
3. The live test proves nothing other than what the system looks like as that still opens with a full screen. I suppose we didn't see if it actually worked as we had both had had enough by then .

Margaret - right off Mints at the moment – if it wont work on old laptops why not say so. I did check the specs and it should be OK 20 g hard drive and 1012 memory (we doubled it a few years ago).

Thursday telephone line back at last. After the jolly messages on BT's fault system saying why don't you check the progress of your fault on line? How can I do that you cretins!!!!!
I HAVE NO PHONE LINE.

Rant over.

Thank you for your replies sorry I could not respond.
I do not consider the 1100 as junk as it has run XP for years albeit slowly at times.

I will look at Zorin David. I have never heard of that one. I was wondering about Ubuntu with the, is it Xfce desktop?

Now we are back one line I will investigate further and once we are into June we can try and download something else.

Margaret .P.S. Yesterday we had no water either its like the dark ages up here.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 10:16 AM   #11
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Sorry to heard about you having a hard time with this computer and with your utilities as well. Please if you try another distro let us know how that goes. I am sure it will be very beneficial to read about for other users with similar issues.

Thank you.
 
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:27 AM   #12
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I hope you don't mind if I second what the other people are saying. One beautiful thing about Linux is the variety of distro's which allows you to custom choose everything. It sound like a lighter distro, one easier on the system requirements (like Puppy Linux) will run much better.
 
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With 1GB there shouldn't be trouble with memory and if the CPU is a P4, that should be good for most distros; it's more powerful than the CPU on my laptop.

I can only think of three things.
1. A bad copy of Mint, as I said before.
2. A fault in you memory. The start screen of the Mint disk should give you the opportunity to check it.
3. Problems with the Intel graphics chip. Looking for information about this computer shows that people were having this problem when it was new.

If (3) is the case, then you need a different distro. Zorin OS should be OK, but if that gives trouble, then I think you need to leave the Debian-derived distros and try something completely different, like Vector.
 
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:40 AM   #14
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Hello David

The processor is a 2.40 gig Intel Celeron and the graphics card is Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller. Whatever that means?
The copy of Mint was checked with MD5Sum and loaded OK onto Pete's Windows 7 machine as dual boot. So I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I do not remember a memory check being offered anywhere though.
I googled Zorin which seems to get very good reviews. I will look at Vector tomorrow when our broadband counter resets.
Neither of us has ever had any problems with graphics on the Dell but we don't play computer games or anything like that so perhaps we wouldn't know. I watched several Utube videos on it to pick Mint as the nicest looking desktop and they showed full screen with no problems.
Is Debian very graphic intense and Vector more laid back and will display in any old junk?

Cheers Margaret & Pete (One dual Boot laptop and one very large Dell paperweight)
P.S. Pete is a geek too.
 
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Oh dear, finding out about computers is a problem! I looked hard before I found you had a P4 and it turns out you don't.. Mint should run on a Celeron, although it would probably prefer something more modern. The problem is probably the graphics, then. As I said, there are a lot of report of problems with that chip back in the days when it was in production.

Mint and Zorin are both based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian. Zorin is better for older computers than Mint, but if both failed then the problem might be inherited, as it were. That's why I suggested Vector (unrelated to Ubuntu and Debian).
 
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