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Old 11-18-2008, 11:50 AM   #1
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Maybe change from freespire to ubuntu or debian


I installed freespire, used it for about a week to get used to it and I must say that I do not like the file system at all. I'm a power user so maybe freespire isn't right for me, I dunno. It is a new os to me so to give it a chance and since freespire is based on ubuntu/debian (i think) I ordered 4 books: Ubuntu Linux Bible, Hacking Ubuntu , Beginning Linux Programming and Linux Device Drivers. I figured give FS a chance but from what I've already seen, not logging into the root is a pain, at least I think that is what is keeping me from some power over the os.

So I got these books in hopes I'll see somethings I need to do. In looking for books I got the impression that there is not much if any community support for freespire; freespire.org says as opposed as commercial support you can get community support in the forums, YOU CAN NOT! I've tried to register there 4 or 5 times and emailed the support 3 times all to no avail, but I digress.

To get to it

Do you guys/girls think I should just move to ubuntu or give freespire a chance ?

Do you guys/girls think these books will help with freespire ?
 
Old 11-18-2008, 11:56 AM   #2
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I think if you are not happy with the experience you should go ahead and look at something else. Theres nothing holding you back. Who's to say after trying Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Suse, and Slackware that you may not go running back to Freespire ? (Doubtful, but it's a possibility).

If you use one of the Distros I listed above, obtaining support for it around here should be fairly easy.. Not like it costs you anything but a little bit of your time to download and install them to try em out.
 
Old 11-18-2008, 12:01 PM   #3
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Well, the fact is that hardly anyone here uses freespire so these forums won't provide much in the way of support either. Sure, we may be helpful on generic matters but that is where it ends.

btw, what do you mean by
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not logging into the root is a pain
You should never work as root unless you have no other choice.
 
Old 11-18-2008, 12:05 PM   #4
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Do you guys/girls think I should just move to ubuntu or give freespire a chance ?
Probably not much different as you are still tethered to sudo. You may want to try Debian as you can start with a bare bones Operating System giving you lots of speed and power and just install the applications you want or need. Ubuntu (not sure about freespire) installs a ton of software and services you may never use, and as such it's not as peppy as a leaned out Debian. But most people would recommend Slackware for power users, only thing is it's extremely unfriendly towards newbies when it comes to installing it and getting all your hardware installed after, may be best to get to know Linux first before going for the "hair-pulling" distributions.

Those books can be helpful, but so are Linux forums. Personally I would not waste my money on the books as they will tend to give all kinds of directions centered around the Gnome desktop. There are many desktop environments available for Linux which you may end up trying and preferring rendering your books almost useless. And google is the best library I know for finding quality reading material for free.
 
Old 11-18-2008, 12:16 PM   #5
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Well, the fact is that hardly anyone here uses freespire so these forums won't provide much in the way of support either. Sure, we may be helpful on generic matters but that is where it ends.

btw, what do you mean by


You should never work as root unless you have no other choice.
I'm not entirely sure, that's why I don't want to move so quick; every time I click on the folder named root(in the gui) it says you do not have permission... but I can go to /. I thought / was root ?

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Old 11-18-2008, 12:21 PM   #6
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Power User! Oh, Oh. Big trouble ahead. I assume you mean Windows power user, and you are going to be in way over your head. You had the right idea with Freespire, you do need a baby-steps distro, but as has been mentioned above, it's hard to get support. I would guess that Ubuntu is even too difficult for you, and Debian is a distant gleam. You might be able to actually learn something from Mint or Mephis.

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Old 11-18-2008, 12:26 PM   #7
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only thing is it's extremely unfriendly towards newbies when it comes to installing it and getting all your hardware installed after, may be best to get to know Linux first before going for the "hair-pulling" distributions.
Exactly what I was thinking, move slow.

I bought two of those books to help me write drivers.

Thanks.

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Old 11-18-2008, 12:40 PM   #8
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/root is a user directory not a system directory.


http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
 
Old 11-18-2008, 12:53 PM   #9
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Power User! Oh, Oh. Big trouble ahead. I assume you mean Windows power user, and you are going to be in way over your head. You had the right idea with Freespire,
I hear, that's why i'm here. Thanks rickh.

and thanks for the link farslayer.

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Old 11-18-2008, 05:31 PM   #10
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As a former Linspire/ Freespire user (years ago), I have to agree that it is time to move on. Linspire was bought by Xandros and they plan on keeping Freespire around, but nobody knows in what form. Linspire will disappear.

Freespire is based on Ubuntu, but Xandros the parent company is based on Debian. Which means that Freespire will probably become Debian based as well. So this will likely mean that it will become Freespire in name only.

Xandros, like Linspire, is all about running Linux so that it looks and feels like Windows which as you mentioned means an unorthodox file structure, among other things. The other problem with Xandros is that it has lagged behind other distros in terms of keeping its repositories fresh, something that Linspire was much better at. Add to that, they are a commercial distro that has a history of paying only lip service to the open source community. Their free version is typically just an older version of the paid one with some options stripped out which makes it next to useless.

Finally, the Linspire deal is caught up in litigation with Michael Robertson, Linspire CEO, being sued by Kevin Carmony, his former partner, for not taking his decision to sell to Xandros to the shareholders, namely Carmony. Not fun for users.

I would move on and fast. I would consider using another Debian based distro. It could be Debian itself, if you crave stability. It could be one of its derivatives such as Sidux or SimplyMEPIS, if you want something more aggressive or it could be Ubuntu, on which Linspire is based, or one of its many derivatives. All decisions here are good. It is just a case of what you want in a distro.

There are choices to be made. All use the same package manager, aptitude or Synaptic, but there are different desktops. Ubuntu uses Gnome as does Debian, but there are XFCE and KDE versions of Ubuntu and Debian has the other desktops available for post installation. Sidux and SimplyMEPIS use KDE (or XFCE for Sidux), but other desktops can be installed later.

If the root comment is taken to mean that Ubuntu does not allow you to logon as root then that is not a bad thing. You can do everything using sudo and it is safer, IMO. You can also use sudo su in Ubuntu which effectively changes you to root. Logging on as root is way over-rated and dangerous as anyone can change your system once you are in because it will no longer prompt for the password. This is highly debatable, but once you are used to sudo you wouldn't go back.

Choice. You've got to love it!
 
Old 11-18-2008, 07:06 PM   #11
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Yeah, Choice!

So logging in as root would that let you edit the kernel code ?
 
Old 11-18-2008, 07:14 PM   #12
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So logging in as root would that let you edit the kernel code ?
Errr... why would you need to log in as root to write kernel code????
 
Old 11-18-2008, 07:20 PM   #13
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My son is a big linux freak and he says he recompiles the kernel to add new hardware ???
 
Old 11-18-2008, 07:21 PM   #14
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Try

Linux Mint

-C
 
Old 11-18-2008, 07:24 PM   #15
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My son is a big linux freak and he says he recompiles the kernel to add new hardware ???
Oh, I see, but that would not count as "editing" the kernel code. It is just a matter of (de)selecting features from a menu. Which can - in fact, should - be done as a regular user. You only need to log in as root once your custom kernel has been compiled and you want to install it.
 
  


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