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Old 02-17-2003, 01:42 PM   #1
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Mandrake,redhat8 or suse8.1?


Hi,
I am a very Newbie. I am wondering whick linux version/edition will prove to best the best help for a (still) MS windows minded person? Basically I need aLinux machine to set up a secure webserver, with PHP/Mysql.

I wonder if Mandrake, Suse and Redhat (or others?)will be beneficial. Some questions that I have:
1) some major pros & cons for the versions
2) Is the availability of software more likely for one of these Linux versions?

I am so eager to learn Linux, but also very worried. Currently I am trying redhat8, and tried to install Flashplayer for Mozilla. After fussying around it worked, but now my Apache server doesnt want to run anymore.

I seem to have no grip on my actions, whereas in MS Windows I feel comfordable.

Helpp is very apreciated!

Kind regards
Patrick
 
Old 02-17-2003, 02:12 PM   #2
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I would go with Red Hat 8. It's very newbie friendly and very easy to dual boot (install windoze first). Just my opinion, but I still use Redhat..
 
Old 02-17-2003, 02:18 PM   #3
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Have you tried other distros also? Some say Suse and Mandrake are more 'idiot proof', esp for an indoctrinated windows user like myself .

I am trying redhat8 currently but find it somehow a kind of unorganized, but am also downloading Mandrake this very moment...

I hope someone can tell me the differences between them

cheers
Patrick
 
Old 02-17-2003, 02:19 PM   #4
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Mandrake is an "easy to setup" distro but i like Redhat and its Blue Curve theme and icons (noce graphics).
If you prefer something neat, go with Redhat i say, but if you want to ease the pain, go for Mandrake.
Whatever you choose, both are compatible for most case
 
Old 02-17-2003, 02:26 PM   #5
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Hitokiri,
So Mandrake is the nearest thing to MS-Windows (more than Suse & redhat)?

Sorry to 'over-ask' this on this issue, but I just want to have the best distro for me to make the step from windows (hoping I won't have to use a terminal to install programs, or even find programs etc)

Can anyone tell just a couple of differences between the ditros?


Currently I am downloading:
-Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso
-Mandrake90-cd2-ext.i586.iso
-Mandrake90-cd3-i18n.i586.iso
-md5sums.90

Mandrake's site doesnt say much what to do with iso.
I have Nero burning rom on wy windows machine. Do I just burn them on there; or do I need to extract these files somehow?

Last edited by cuboctahedron; 02-17-2003 at 02:30 PM.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 03:51 PM   #6
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Yeh, just burn them with Nero, open Nero, close all the wizard stuff, then go FILE - BURM IMAGE and point it at your .iso
 
Old 02-17-2003, 04:36 PM   #7
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Cuboc: I just made the change from Windows to Linux last week. I'd rate myself as a poweruser in Windows, but only have seem linux used a couple times, so basically a complete newbie to it. I choose Mandrake 9.0 as well. I've done install's on every version of Windows and none of them were as painless as the Mandrake install. From start to finish took about 1/2 hour and it detected and configured my onboard sound and lan (ECS KS75A Mboard), my G Force 4 (needed a small config change to make really work good) and my USB printer. Everything that I've needed or wanted to do so far I've been able to use a GUI for (CLI still scares me a little, but I"m learning) and that's a real comfort for a windows guy that wants to learn more about Linux.

I can't tell you how it compares to other Distro's as I haven't used them, but as a windows user wanting to try out Linux, Mandrake is a very comfortable first step.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 04:51 PM   #8
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Thanx for youre comments.
Basically 'fresh' newbies like yourself I'd reckon will give an unbiased view.
I noteced throughout the web and this forum, that linux users kinda stick to 'their' distro, and thus always vote for their ones.

I guess I'll go for Mandrake than, but I guess it will take a while yet before software gets installed in one complete run. e.g I tried to installl Mysql4, and extracted the files into a directory. But than I didnt have a clue what to do with them, except for reading some instructions textfiles written for moderate/advanced linux users.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 05:27 PM   #9
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Boo for everyone not suggesting Mandrake! It has something that RH doesn't (by default) ALSA. A huge hurdle for n00bs is sound, and RH does a suck job trying to setup audio. Mandrake far surpasses RH in that area, and at least meets (more often exceeds) everything RH does.

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Old 02-18-2003, 06:38 AM   #10
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I still wouldnt suggest RH for desktop purposes.. but Mandrake..
I wouldnt suggest Mandrake 9 for server porposes but RedHat.

although RedHat can look ok..but it's still not as far on desktop usability then Mandrake 9.

although RedHat is trying to get more grip on the desktop market.. it's still a server OS, and u'll notice that when u browse threw it's packages. Mandrake 9 got rid of a lot server based packages and replaced them with desktop tools, games and applications, for instance: 5 or 6 different desktop's/WM's /Environments.
 
Old 02-18-2003, 10:20 AM   #11
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Quote:
I still wouldnt suggest RH for desktop purposes.. but Mandrake..
I wouldnt suggest Mandrake 9 for server porposes but RedHat.
I agree. I have never gotten Red Hat to work correctly, and there's only one other distro that can fall into that category with me (lycoris). I switched to Mandrake, and I've been happy ever since.
 
Old 02-18-2003, 12:20 PM   #12
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Smile

Hi, minna (everyone (jap)

I see ....
Well, I admit that Mandrake has many features beyond RH.
I was a Mandrake fan, but not for Mandrake 9.
Why ? They split the package removal from the pacakge installer.
(I really miss that super easy package installation process w/ Mandrake 8 and 8.2)
And I just can't stand for the cute Keramik icons on RH 8 and the bluecurve theme.
The reason I didn't install SuSE is becoz it always fails on my computer, otherwise SuSE comes with tons of nice package, the Keramik icons and more, more ....
I guess everyone has their own favorite Distro ^_^
 
Old 02-18-2003, 01:00 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally posted by KayJay
I still wouldnt suggest RH for desktop purposes.. but Mandrake..
I wouldnt suggest Mandrake 9 for server porposes but RedHat.

although RedHat can look ok..but it's still not as far on desktop usability then Mandrake 9.

although RedHat is trying to get more grip on the desktop market.. it's still a server OS, and u'll notice that when u browse threw it's packages. Mandrake 9 got rid of a lot server based packages and replaced them with desktop tools, games and applications, for instance: 5 or 6 different desktop's/WM's /Environments.
Personally I wouldn't suggest using packages that come with a distro if you are running a server. I really think you should know what you have/don't have if you are opening yourself up like that. Also, you want to tailor things to your needs, so even more of a reason to not use the packages that come with your distro. Therefore, I still think Mandy does just as good of a job with server level distro's as RH does.

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Old 02-18-2003, 06:42 PM   #14
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If someone could tell me, or parothead26, what "minor change" did you do for the Geforce 4 to work better? I have a Geforce 4 DDR 420, and have bought a HD to install Mandrake. I already am using RedHat, it found the sound card (i810), but sound doesn't work.
As for distros, I am too new to say, but really appreciate all who take the time to help us newbies out.
 
Old 02-18-2003, 10:16 PM   #15
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Undershepard, I don't remember exactly how it all worked, but there were very detailed instructions on the nvidia site that where easy to follow. Also, the site http://www.uselinuxathome.com has the directions on upgrading the card as well as making your fonts loook at lot nicer. I found this site to be very helpful as it really was written for a newbie to understand.

Good Luck!
 
  


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