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Old 08-23-2003, 12:53 AM   #1
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Question Mandrake Linux Newbie Question.


Greetings !

I am a brand new member to this site and this is my first post here.

I have used windows for the past 10 years and am looking into Linux.

Anyone here shifted from Windows to Mandrake Linux ? How long did it take to get comfortable with this version of Linux ? Where there any problems ? Please share any other related info.

Thanks.

Vijay

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Old 08-23-2003, 01:13 AM   #2
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Well, I origionally started on Mandrake Linux, and it was very clean and polished.

Ive also successfully converted quite a few people using Mandrake.

I have a few suggestions since you are a new user, and please dont take this as condescending:

1. Dont expect ANYTHING to be like Windows. While some things will be, never assume.

2. Don't expect things to be easy. While some things are, many things are very difficult.

3. Dont be afraid to read documentation and "man" pages, these are your best friend.

4. Search the forums and especially google.com/linux

5. Dont think that being a "Windows expert" will help you with linux. Linux will be like learning computers all over again.

6. Enjoy all the power and freedom linux gives you.




And last, you may want to wait for Mandrake 9.2 to go final. It shouldnt be too long, and it will save you the trouble of reinstalling.

As a new user, you'll want to keep up by using the latest distributions and package versions. Things are getting better by leaps and bounds, especially in the "user friendlyness" department.
 
Old 08-23-2003, 01:40 AM   #3
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welcome

Well, I would say that Mandrake is definately a great place to start. This is not to say that it is some kind of compromise distro, just that it is really put together well and, with KDE, should be very easy to get into.

I have been using Linux for six years or so. I started with Mandrake, ran Debian for a while, made my own "Linux from Scatch" distro, and am now running RedHat and Mandrake on various systems.

As a first bit of advice, your first inclination will be to "replace" windows functionalty, and this may be necessary (and there _are_ indeed many great options, OpenOffice, Gaim, GIMP, Mozilla, Mplayer, XMMS, etc). But try to let yourself explore what Linux has to offer on its own. Sorry to sound like a 12-step program here, but I really think it will save you aggrevation.

For example, a few things Linux offers you:

[B]Server Capabilities:[/B} ever needed to grab a file on your home system from work, no problem. Ever wanted to have friends upload a batch of digital photos, easy. How about hosting mail accounts for the family/relatives, simple. And remember, these are the real deal industry standard tools, Apache, Postfix or Sendmail, sshd, etc. Free. Try doing this stuff on an MSFT box.

Configurablity/Choice: Want a fancy eye-candy desktop AND a light weight, no frills one for different days/jobs, try GNOME/KDE vs Fluxbox/BlackBox/OpenBox/WindoMaker/etc. How about 4 virtual desktops simultaneously: one with a browser, one with a mail client, one with a webcast, and the other compiling the latest Mozilla, it can be done. The list goes on.

Little things: Middle-mouse botton paste!! Autocomplete with TAB key (try it in the shell)! Terminal windows. Batch processing. Scripting. Mutli-threading (never wait for the stupid cursor/hourglass again).

OK, I've ranted enough. But the last benefit I'll mention is _helpful forums like this one_. Enjoy!

G
 
Old 08-23-2003, 06:53 AM   #4
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One thing I see is that due to the need of peer support, Linux users are more closer knit and friendly. Is this correct ?

Vijay
 
Old 08-23-2003, 06:56 AM   #5
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Re: welcome

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Originally posted by gnunderdog
For example, a few things Linux offers you:

Server Capabilities: ever needed to grab a file on your home system from work, no problem. Ever wanted to have friends upload a batch of digital photos, easy. How about hosting mail accounts for the family/relatives, simple. And remember, these are the real deal industry standard tools, Apache, Postfix or Sendmail, sshd, etc. Free. Try doing this stuff on an MSFT box.

Configurablity/Choice: Want a fancy eye-candy desktop AND a light weight, no frills one for different days/jobs, try GNOME/KDE vs Fluxbox/BlackBox/OpenBox/WindoMaker/etc. How about 4 virtual desktops simultaneously: one with a browser, one with a mail client, one with a webcast, and the other compiling the latest Mozilla, it can be done. The list goes on.

OK, I've ranted enough. But the last benefit I'll mention is _helpful forums like this one_. Enjoy!

G
How much space does Mandrake need ? What are the system requirements ?

In regards to [A] you need the server edition of Mandrake correct ? Also don't you need a server at home for hosting the E-Mail ? Thanks.

Vijay

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Old 08-23-2003, 07:33 AM   #6
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[QUOTE]How much space does Mandrake need ? What are the system requirements ?[/QUITE]

from http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.1/features/

Recommended hardware for Mandrake Linux 9.1

A complete list of supported hardware is available at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/hardware.php3

Processor: an x586-class or above processor is required. This includes Intel Pentium I/II/III/IV, AMD K6/II/III, AMD Duron, AMD Athlon/XP/MP. Multi-processor machines are supported. (*)
Memory: at least 64 MB is required; 128 MB is recommended.
Hard disks: IDE and SCSI hard disks are supported. Most SCSI and RAID controllers are supported.
Hard disk size: At least 100MB is required, 1GB is recommended.
USB and USB 2.0: most USB devices are supported.
CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives and burners: Most IDE and SCSI models are supported.
Graphic cards: Most ISA, PCI and AGP cards are supported, including 3D hardware acceleration.
Network adapters: Most ISA, PCI and USB network cards are supported. Most modems, RNIS and DSL devices are supported.
Printers: Most Inkjet and Laser printers are supported. Most "WinPrinters" are not supported.
Sound Cards: All SoundBlaster-compatible soundcards are supported.
Laptops: Most laptops are supported.
Misc.: Numerous TV cards, graphics tablets, scanners, webcams, digital cameras and FireWire devices are supported.

(*)A version of Mandrake 9.1 for PPC-based personal computers, as well as IA-64 and AMD-64 versions, will be released later.


However 1Gig of hard drive won't leave room for many apps. My work computer has a 12 gig hard drive and I have plenty of room left.


Quote:
In regards to [A] you need the server edition of Mandrake correct ? Also don't you need a server at home for hosting the E-Mail ?
NO, The FREE version (3 ISO images download from www.mandrake.com) have every thing you will need to include every server type you may want. Plus with URPMI you can download many other software packages that may not be on the CDs.



Quote:
And last, you may want to wait for Mandrake 9.2 to go final. It shouldnt be too long, and it will save you the trouble of reinstalling.
This I disagree, I believe in jumping in and learning. If you install 9.1 now, you will learn many things, then when 9.2 comes out you get to learn more during the upgrade process.

Welcome, you will enjoy becoming M$ free.
 
Old 08-23-2003, 07:45 AM   #7
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I don't have a cable modem. Moreover, I don't know many people with cable modem. Does that mean, each time I will endup having to buy Linux software ? For eg., since I need Mandrake, I will endup having to buy the CD.

This seems to make it as expensive as Windows but also needs more new efforts. I am confused in this regard. Please explain. Thanks.

Vijay
 
Old 08-23-2003, 07:48 AM   #8
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Also another basic question. I just have a regular CD Rom. What does the term burn CD refer to ? Does it mean recording CDs ? Why does one have to download and then burn a CD ?

Thanks.

Vijay
 
Old 08-23-2003, 07:48 AM   #9
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rvijay,
I would recommend that you at least get all 3 cds (download edition), the boxed set will also have the binaries and commercial apps if you so chose.
The space required depends on how many apps you wish to install, a reasonably basic install with kde and gnome will use 1.5 gig or so.
system requirements - see the mandrake site, A smaller pc will obviously run slower, but I did have a 450mhz 64meg running, not very fast though with a heavy gui !
The standard mandrake has all the apps needed for setting up servers if you need, I believe the server edition is more for commercial operations.
And finally, yes linux users are close knit, but that does seem to happen to minority groups and enthusiasts generally.

Have fun.
 
Old 08-23-2003, 07:52 AM   #10
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Here is another basic question. It is said that Linux can run even on 486 machines. Why does one need upto 1.5 Gig then ? This seems to be a lot more than what Windows needs. Thanks.

Vijay
 
Old 08-23-2003, 07:57 AM   #11
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mmm I obviously get distracted when posting. LOL
Yes burning means recording
Purchasing does not have to mean from mandrake, you can also buy the cds from other sources, I think Everything Linux in Sydney sells various distros for about 10 to 15 AUD.
 
Old 08-23-2003, 08:00 AM   #12
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By the sound of it Vijay,

You are technically adept.

so I presume that it won't take you too long to become familar with "things linux".

Personally I struggled. The differences where vast (IMO). But I have also come to realise that part of my difficulties where caused by having too much "windows baggage" floating round in my head.

Also what doesn't help me is not having any IT qualifications, though stubbornness, arrogance and knowing my limitations have been beneficial (that translates into "I'm not letting some nerdy developer get the better of me". Followed by "nah bollocks, I can't be bothered to work that out!".)

I also have to retain dual boot facility, because my partner is a total technophobe who is of the "If it's good enough for work, It's good enough for me" (though she knows how to log out of linux).

Also, If a dummy like me can manage to run mandrake as an excellent desktop system, then most of the stuff you mentioned should be a "doddle".

Not that that matters, you've already discovered LQ, and let me tell you, there are some seriously knowledgeable people here (not me ), and yes the community spirit is excellent.

I would however suggest, that unless you've already got you system sorted (i.e. up and running), then it might be an idea to get a mandrake boxed set to start with. I suggest this, because there are some app's that are available as OSS, but are "technically" commercial e.g. the nvidia drivers. I have seen people have lots of problems setting these up/configuring them. My "boxed set DVD" has them already configured/compiled so it took a fair bit of stress out of basic installation etc.

Up to you. And brew1brew is totally correct about the servers, they come on the mandrake install disc(s), it's just a case of selecting them at install, then configuring them to work the way you want.

For what it's worth, I also did the "dive in" route when I started about 2 years ago, and while it did cause me stress and more than a few anxious moments - it didn't hurt (much).

Welcome to LQ and linux in general.

regards

John
 
Old 08-23-2003, 08:00 AM   #13
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You get a lot more than windows
Windows XP - 1 cd
Mandrake 9.1 - 3 cds
You have a choice of several browsers,media players,gui's,networking tools,editors etc etc.
 
Old 08-23-2003, 08:16 AM   #14
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Why is the Mandrake CD so cheap here (around $10) ? Are there any other fees ?
http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.c...=google_linux1

On the other hand in a local store the same set seems to be $45. Does the first one have anything missing ? Thanks.

Vijay
 
Old 08-23-2003, 08:20 AM   #15
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http://www.linuxcd.org/view_distro.php?id_distro=19
Here is another similar one !! Very suspicious !!

and another http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart

This site accepts Canadian Dollars:
http://www.uselinuxathome.com/ENgetmdk.htm

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