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Old 02-17-2003, 07:35 PM   #1
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Mandrake 9 KDE Sound Problems!


Hey there all, I've been running Mandrake 9.0 for 2 days now. I have been using Gnome, however it doesn't have any Media Players (mpeg/avi....). So I decided to try KDE 3.03.

I would stick with Gnome, however I cannot compile files and that, have NO idea how to! So downloading a media p layer is pointless.

Anyway, down the point....

Basically, I am having problems playing my MP3's in KDE. I use XMMS and all of my mp3's are on one of my Windows partitions. When installing Mandrake, it recognised my 3 partitions and I can access them in Gnome and play my MP3's in Gnome! Nautilus (Gnome file-browser) recognises my Vfat partitions and I can play my Mp3's....

However, in KDE I cannot play these mp3's and Konquerer does not recognise my /Mount/ directory (it opens the /mount/ folder, yet nothing is there).

Whereas Nautilus in KDE recognises the 7 folders (devices) there. It's odd......

I really want to use KDE as its far more practical than Gnome, its just issues like this!

I'll give u a quick hardware run-down..

Asus A7V8X motherboard
(on-board sound) - check the Asus site for the exact soundchip on there. If necessary... I'll paste here a screenshot of what HardDrake says about the card..
But it works in Gnome, so surely the card is fine!)
ATI Radeon 7200 32MB DDR
512MB DDR
1x80 gig (2x Windows Partitions) - MP3's on 2nd 50GB part.
1x40gig (Linux at beginning of drive - 12GB, then 25GIG Vfat part.)

Gnome rules, but it lacks basic desktop features such as "delete" and "line-up icons". I mean... everytime I load up Gnome or even KDE.. it still brings back 2 icons, both are related to capture devices. The first.... "gnomemeeting for my webcam", second.. "XawTV for my WinTV go card". It's things like that, being able to remove them (easily) and so on which would really improve Gnome and linux as a whole!

I hope some of you can help!
Thanks for listening.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 07:38 PM   #2
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I forgot to add that in KDE when I am looking at the Mount directory with Konquerer, it causes Konquerer to crash! Also, XMMS locks up and I have to end up using X-Kill to kill it!

I have never, ever had a trouble-free Linux installation. Would be nice if I could get Gnome Messenger (MSN client) to work on Gnome too!
All this missing dependancy stuff, argh!


Cheers again.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 09:19 PM   #3
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for your /mnt-

go into a console, the little black box on the task bar, bottom of screen, once there cat /etc/fstab and post your results back here. that will help us to determine what might be up with your /mnt.

see you soon.
 
Old 02-17-2003, 09:22 PM   #4
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KDE 3 is bundled in Mandrake9. I ran that for a good 3 months with out the problems your are describing. Are you using Samba to mount your windows particians? or doing this in fstab? I am thinking the prefered method to mount the ms particians would be samba. Mandrake comes with a nice gui for config or the samba shares. After mounting them you shouldn't have a problem with viewing them in konquer. I have only used kde as I thought gnome was just too cartoonish for me. I have since changed distros so I don't know how much more help I can be. Evil Entity is what I run now.
 
Old 02-18-2003, 12:01 PM   #5
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Ok... here is that cat /etc/fstab listing you requested!

[root@localhost root]# cat /etc/fstab
/dev/hdb5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hdb7 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codep age=850,umask=0 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,cod epage=850,umask=0 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,co depage=850,umask=0 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
/dev/hdb1 /mnt/win_c2 vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
/dev/hda2 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb6 swap swap defaults 0 0
[root@localhost root]#

I will have a look at Samba, but I doubt I'll be able to make head or tail out of it.

I imagine Mandrake has just done something very stupid (as per usual) in terms of mounting my partitions, good luck guys!
 
Old 02-18-2003, 07:51 PM   #6
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Ok... here's my sound problem (apparently). Its fucking typical!
Doesn't explain tho why it works in Gnome and not KDE!

http://www.davros.fsnet.co.uk/typical.jpg


What is odd tho... is that I can listen to my DVD thru the line-in jack and play CD's through my soundcard! I just can't play mp3's, wav's and so on.

I managed to sort out the /mnt/ probs, simply by fiddling around in gnome. Loading up the "file manager super user" (KDE File Browser) app and having it crash a few times (by selecting /mnt/).

I then typed /mnt/win_c/ and guess what it loaded that partition, what is it with the /mnt/ folder! Its about time.... auto-detection was used, like you see in Windows. Granted, Windows is a nightmare.... but at least you can access your hard disks trouble-free and... play MP3!


Kinda sums up Mandrake 9, very disappointed with this.

I love Linux, I wanna ditch Windows, but complete newbies like myself, really.... we expect to be able to read our partitions without having to go anynear the konsole! I have no idea when it comes to programming, however I am borrowing a book from the college library called.. "C for Dummies" Hopefully, I will understand something soon!

All I want is an easy to use distribution (for those who have no nothing about coding other than that it is a hobby/job.) that fully support the Asus A7V8X and will let my soundcard work!
 
Old 02-18-2003, 08:01 PM   #7
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if you want to play these in xmms, why would you have to look at them in konquoer? you can go to xmms' playlist and then to the /mnt/vfat partition and then click on the songs that you would like to listen to.

your /etc/fstab looks fine by what i can see. i see no reason that i would crash, not saying that it's not. i don't have any problems with kon and it reconized my ntfs without any problems before i dumped it.

so as to the solution to that problem, crashing and not reading windows, i'm with jammin, i don't have those problems.

as to mandrake doing something stupid, a computer is only as smart as it's user.
 
Old 02-19-2003, 06:39 AM   #8
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Heh, odd.. Mandrake 7.0 used to setup my older P2 computer just fine. Mandrake 9.0 however, wouldn't have none of it!

Basically..... I have over 7,000 mp3's. I like to have them all loaded like I do in Winamp. Which is why I use the "add dir" options in XMMS.

Is there an explanation to my main problem tho? Sound working in Gnome, yet not in KDE? I take it both environments use the same drivers...

XMMS uses Konquerer to read the directory's in Linux, just as Winamp uses Windows Explorer.

I can now load the mp3's and that, but I can't play them! XMMS attempted to play them....... so like 00:00 comes up on the LCD display, yet it just can't play the file, causing XMMS to freeze.

Theories?

One suggestion I have... is putting in my old Soundblaster16 PCI Pro soundcard and disabling my nice surround sound card! FFS....
But then again, it depends if Mandrake 9 will want to recognise my new card and install the appropriate driver for it!
 
Old 02-19-2003, 08:56 AM   #9
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It just hit me. Do you know if you are using oss or alsa. These are two totaly different sound servers. I might be wrong in calling them sound servers. But something in the back of my mind is telling me that when I ran mandy9 with kde it was using alsa. In your last post about xmms freezing, it go me to thinking that used to happen to me on occasion. I think it had to do with alsa. open and terminal and type ps -A that should show you all the processes that are running.

Also do you get a warning when you start kde about it not being able to access or start the sound server?

Sorry for the unorganization of this post.
 
Old 02-19-2003, 12:17 PM   #10
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Ok... this is what I get when I do ps -A

[root@localhost root]# ps -A
PID TTY TIME CMD
1 ? 00:00:04 init
2 ? 00:00:00 keventd
3 ? 00:00:00 kapmd
4 ? 00:00:00 ksoftirqd_CPU0
5 ? 00:00:00 kswapd
6 ? 00:00:00 bdflush
7 ? 00:00:00 kupdated
8 ? 00:00:00 mdrecoveryd
12 ? 00:00:00 kjournald
127 ? 00:00:00 devfsd
223 ? 00:00:00 khubd
468 ? 00:00:00 kjournald
676 ? 00:00:00 knodemgrd
936 ? 00:00:00 portmap
952 ? 00:00:00 syslogd
960 ? 00:00:00 klogd
1008 ? 00:00:00 rpc.statd
1025 ? 00:00:00 gpm
1192 ? 00:00:00 xfs
1248 ? 00:00:00 apmd
1292 ? 00:00:00 kdm
1304 ? 00:00:00 atd
1324 ? 00:00:01 X
1329 ? 00:00:00 saslauthd
1350 ? 00:00:00 xinetd
1351 ? 00:00:00 kdm
1404 ? 00:00:00 cupsd
1534 ? 00:00:00 rwhod
1553 ? 00:00:00 rwhod
1675 ? 00:00:00 master
1695 ? 00:00:00 pickup
1696 ? 00:00:00 nqmgr
1739 ? 00:00:00 crond
1759 ? 00:00:00 miniserv.pl
1792 ? 00:00:00 lisa
1915 vc/1 00:00:00 mingetty
1916 vc/2 00:00:00 mingetty
1917 vc/3 00:00:00 mingetty
1918 vc/4 00:00:00 mingetty
1919 vc/5 00:00:00 mingetty
1920 vc/6 00:00:00 mingetty
2064 ? 00:00:00 startkde
2161 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2164 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2167 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2169 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2178 ? 00:00:00 artsd
2182 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2183 ? 00:00:00 kwrapper
2185 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2186 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2188 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2190 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2191 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2192 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2197 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2199 ? 00:00:00 korgac
2200 ? 00:00:00 kalarmd
2201 ? 00:00:00 kppp
2202 ? 00:00:00 kppp
2205 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit
2207 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
2238 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
[root@localhost root]#

Is it there?

Do I actually have a sound module loaded?

In XMMS it says my outplugin is OSS Driver 1.2.7 (libOSS.so).
This is how I use it in Gnome too, which plays mp3 just fine!

I don't suppose its KDE problem is it? Or is it just my machine... lol.

Getting damn tired of this, I really don't wanna have to revert back to Win2k!
 
Old 02-19-2003, 08:01 PM   #11
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ok I am running out of ideas here. Other then searching the kde site the only thing I can think of is BIOS. Is it set to pnp os? If so that will cause a problem. The only thing I saw in your ps -A was the artsd. That is what enables full duplex and other properties of your sound server. Many has a gui to configure this. I beleive its under the mandrake control center. Try changing some of the settings under the sound server portion of the control center and see what happens. Boy I wish I still had mandy installled so I could help you more.

I know it's getting to be a pain, but stick with it we and all the other people here will try to help.

Last thing, there are some pretty knowledgeable people at www.justlinux.com. Try a post there also if you haven't already.
 
Old 02-19-2003, 08:06 PM   #12
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dave, try this-
in the kicker panel, start menu, go to configuration, kde, sound, sound server (system), i/o options. play with the i/o tab. you will have a couple of different choices for which sound you want to use.

for the xmms using konq i'm not sure. when i bring something up in it i have the gnome interface not the konq.

for your modules, as root lsmod this will list your modules, you should see one with snd or sound. you should have these loaded since you are able to play in gnome.
 
Old 02-20-2003, 01:30 PM   #13
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Well..... you guys are fucking legends!

My sound now works in KDE!

For some reason the sound was set to Open Thread Sound or something.... so I changed it to "auto detect".

In combination with turning off 'PNP OS in BIOS the sounds working, however..... sound quality ain't as gr8 as it is in Windows. But its better than nothing!

Cheers guys, you were a great help.

It's a shame Microsoft doesn't offer the amount of support that guys in the Linux world do. The open source movement for you!

Bloody marvellous, I'm sure I'll have more questions as time goes on.
 
Old 02-20-2003, 02:20 PM   #14
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Dave, good job. Nothing like the satifaction of keeping at it till you have the problem licked. Just so that you know I did the same thing you did when I first installed Mandrake 8.2 I had pnp os enabled. The sound didn't work right at all. I later found out about the pnp os thing. I now leave my computer bios in non pnp os.

Now this may sound crazy, but try doing a reinstall of Mandy. You can do a reinstall without wiping out your /home and still have all your stuff there waiting when you are through. When I installed mandy9 with pnpos disabled the sound was as good or better then windows.

Just a thought if you find it acceptable then forget this suggestion.
 
Old 02-20-2003, 05:44 PM   #15
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glad that we could help. do what jammin sugest with the reinstall if you want it to work like it does in windows. at the end of the install, i believe right after the make boot disk, you have a choice to make an install disk. make one, then if you decide you have to reinstall for something else you can just drop that disk in there and it will automatically select the packages that you put in the first time. you would want to examine the package tree when you do reinstall just to make sure that you know what your putting in. mandrake will install alot of apps that you probably will never use, so examine then carefully and then de/select the ones you want.. do an update when you have rebooted. for some reason mine updates faster then. also you can listen to your tunes then.

good luck.
 
  


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