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Old 12-11-2008, 08:37 AM   #16
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Definitely then Linux is not for you. I don't know how you set up your machine, maybe it has to be with a hardware compatibility problem, no machine is equal to the other, and that is one of the major reasons of the problems here in Linux.
My personal experience here in Debian is totally different than yours by the way. I recognize that a big complication is the program compatibility and the development that is being done related to that, each day Linux has better programs. But other than that, I run programs normally without getting crashes, the performance in comparison to windows is better, in speed, file management and stability. And the looks, is just matter of likes.

So I recommend you to have patience if you are going to keep on going with any distribution, because that's the most important thing, to have patience, lots of it.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 08:46 AM   #17
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Hi,

I would ad that you should like to do some research along with the patience. Read and then read some more to find the jewels within the operation of your system.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 09:06 AM   #18
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Actually yeah.
I don't believe you.
Did you *REALLY* try Puppy running from RAM? Or are you just assuming?
Puppy launches applications *INSTANTLY*. The time it takes to launch a browser can't be notices by a human eye. It launches the browser before your screen had a chance to refresh, so you couldn't see if it was actually faster or slower than something that launch the application faster than screen refresh rate, which I seriously doubt Windows is capable of.

You must confuse Puppy with something else. No amount of tunning on Windows could make it launch applications faster and even it it was possible, you would not be able to notice it because the screen refresh rate is slower. It just doesn't make sense. Windows (any version, including 3.11) IS FAR slower than puppy, by any measure.

That said, if actually tested puppy in RAM and it was actually slow, then there is something seriously wrong on your computer. Maybe you are using a buggy driver that slows it down dramatically, or you are using a very buggy software that steals a lot of resources...? Did you see errors with dmesg? (just type 'dmesg' on a terminal). What does 'top' report?

Anyway, on any distro, install preload to make it feel faster. Puppy doesn't need it.

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:11 AM   #19
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I tried Gentoo but I remember it taking hours to install programs after it was already set up. I guess thats because it complies from source or whatever. Also I couldn't get my sound to work.

@salasi Thanks I guess I'll have to look for my question concerning a specific distribution then.
Well, there are things you can do with any distribution. Compilation time on Gentoo isn't a big problem ones you get used to it. After you have installed the programs at least I don't make that many changes. I run an update of the system over night from time to time to update to the latest versions.

You don't have to go that far. Many distros will add services you don't need. One of the heavier is SELinux, only the more paranoid run that. There are probably others too. You can also speed up things a bit with compiling your own kernel. Also the latest NVidia drivers are faster then they used to be, if you use that graphics card. There are lots you can do without going to a compile-everything distro like Gentoo. Gentoo do have some binary packages though for heavy things like Firefox and Openoffice.

Ones you get your system properly set up no matter what distro you are on (you might have to compile a few things at least though), it is no way windows can be faster. For start check how much processing power is wasted on anti-virus there.

What sort of hardware do you have anyway?

Mons

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:14 AM   #20
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I don't believe you.
Did you *REALLY* try Puppy running from RAM? Or are you just assuming?
Puppy launches applications *INSTANTLY*. T
I agree. If a distro is loaded fully into RAM, everything will start instantly, because the time you usually wait for things to start is the time in which programs and files are being loaded into RAM. So, if everything is already loaded into RAM, it will theoretically load instantly.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 09:17 AM   #21
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I agree. If a distro is loaded fully into RAM, everything will start instantly, because the time you usually wait for things to start is the time in which programs and files are being loaded into RAM. So, if everything is already loaded into RAM, it will theoretically load instantly.
It's not only theory, I and those who tryed puppy linux running from RAM (works only if you have enough RAM, more than 256Mb or so) actually experienced it.
When I click an icon, the window is there before I have a chance to release the click button. I seriously doubt jumico actually tryed it and think it is slower than Windows. That would mean something is seriously wrong on his system. Even if windows was that fast, or faster, at that speed a human being just can't see what happened.

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:26 AM   #22
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Think his problem is a setup issue.

On my wife's computer with kubuntu and its no monster. It doesn't seem as spry as my slackware or gentoo but firefox still opens and is waiting on the web before I release the click button on the mouse.

What system are the system specifications he is using? Did he install all the drivers he needed? Did he read anything about any of the distro's he set up?

Last edited by Hern_28; 12-11-2008 at 09:31 AM.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 09:17 PM   #23
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I agree. If a distro is loaded fully into RAM, everything will start instantly, because the time you usually wait for things to start is the time in which programs and files are being loaded into RAM. So, if everything is already loaded into RAM, it will theoretically load instantly.
Exactly.

Some Puppy programs are "packed", so even in RAM they must be expanded and that does take time.

Browsing is an example of an "instant" program. Both Seamonkey and Opera load in the blink of an eye.

To claim Windows is faster is just plain silly.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 09:36 PM   #24
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For starters..go through the start up services...I rarely print everytihng, I don't need lirc nor do I need ppd running. There are some others I have stopped, but I can't remember off the top of my head. That'll speed up your boot time. I have yet to see windows boot to a desktop faster than my sidux install (xp, xp pro, and of course it blew away vista). As far as response time once I'm booted up, I'm still quicker than windows. But enough of that.

If you really look into what's running on your box, and adjust what services are ran, maybe compile your kernel for only what you need, you'll find that it's quicker with linux.
 
Old 12-11-2008, 10:15 PM   #25
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Faster than Puppy running from RAM? Nonsense!
Nonsense is exactly right. Hell, my ex-Win98 machine (PIII/733MHz) runs much faster with Ubuntu, as 'bloated' as that one has been claimed to be. It choked to death on an XP upgrade! If I ever need it to run faster, I'll definitely give Puppy a try.

My ex-XP PC (P4/1.8 GHz) also runs faster with Ubuntu. I couldn't imagine a RAM-based OS by any name being slower, especially slower than Windows.
 
  


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