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Old 04-06-2012, 04:12 PM   #31
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Have a look at bodhi linux
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=bodhi
 
Old 04-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #32
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This one looks promising, but it is a definate no-go unless it can run on machines significantly under its minimum requirements.

Bodhi says it needs 300 MHZ. My old Notebook runs at 233 MHZ. Clock speed is not everything. It could be argued that a slightly slower-clocked P2 might possibly bench faster than a slightly faster-clocked P1, but I do not know this for sure. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in this area could chime in.
Bodhi says it needs 128 MB of RAM. My old Notebook has 64 MB. Maybe this could be remedied by using swap, but I am also not sure about this.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here is an update on the current status of my project with respect to my initial goals:
Requirements (must-haves):
-GUI: SUCCESS
-install to HDD: SUCCESS
-free & open source: SUCCESS (except for the Windows suggestions)
-word processing software: SUCCESS
-compatibility with some sort of external storage (floppy/USB thumbdrive): SUCCESS

Requests (wishlist):
-compatibility with a USB thumbdrive: SUCCESS
-graphical installer: NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT (the AntiX cli installer was not bad at all)
-FAT filesystem support: SUCCESS
-sound support: FAILURE!

Wishful thinking list:
-networking and internet support: FAILURE (no working suggestion yet)
-a web browser: SUCCESS (albeit unusable becuase of the lack of support for my network card)



Things are not looking too bad at this point. Networking and sound are the only two things that I have yet to achieve. Thanks to all for the help and suggestions.
 
Old 04-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #33
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So what distro's have you tried so far? What happened to slitaz?
 
Old 04-06-2012, 07:26 PM   #34
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You probably tried to connect to the internet with the laptop hardwired to the router and download any available drive for your wireless and sound cards. Right?


or perhap you did try to connect the laptop with one of those USB wireless adapter. Right? A while back I had good results with a WG111v3 Netgear. The kernel had support for it so I didnt have to do anything just plug in the laptop and boom!

Good luck to you.
 
Old 04-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #35
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So what distro's have you tried so far?
I basically tested the suggestions in this order:
0. ConnochaetOS (0 because I tested it before posting here) - Did not realize that I would have to use the terminal to get some things (USB drives) working. Started this thread as a result.
1. Slitaz (since it was the smallest and would burn to CD the fastest) - Got stuck during CD bootup.
2. AntiX (the first time) - Got stuck like Slitaz.
3. ConnochaetOS (again) - Figured out how to get USB drives mounted, but then switched ot AntiX after learning that I needed to have a pre-existing swap and use the cli-installer to get AntiX installed on a PC with so little RAM (64MB).
4. AntiX (again) - Does what ConnochatetOS does and then some, albeit a with a little more sluggishness. Still cannot get networking to work at all.
AntiX is my current Distro

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What happened to slitaz?
See item #1 above. To be honest, I suppose I never really gave Slitaz a chance. My only excuse for this was that I had another suggestion to test (AntiX) and the ConnochaetOS suggestion was posted by the time I decided to give up on Slitaz. At that time, I thought that Linux on this computer would be as "plug and play" as it is on modern PCs. (ie. the Ubuntu CD works fine on all of my newer computers with no swap preconfiguration necessary.)

Do know, however, that I did not forget about Slitaz.

Apparently, as a read of the Slitaz 3 release notes has revealed, I need to find the loram-cdrom version of the Slitaz installer, as the full one requires 192 MB and the plain loram version needs 80MB. Maybe it would work then. To anyone else reading this: Slitaz may very well be a viable option if you have more memory in your PC.


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You probably tried to connect to the internet with the laptop hardwired to the router and download any available drive for your wireless and sound cards. Right?
No. My notebook is so old that it shipped with no Ethernet port and certainly no internal Wifi adapter.


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or perhap you did try to connect the laptop with one of those USB wireless adapter. Right? A while back I had good results with a WG111v3 Netgear. The kernel had support for it so I didnt have to do anything just plug in the laptop and boom!

Good luck to you.
I do not currently have a USB wireless adapter.

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Old 04-06-2012, 11:03 PM   #36
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Debian is one very customizable distro, with minimal and custom install it is possible to achieve a low footprint memory system, take a look at this, that is an old 250Mhz Cyrix, 96MB RAM.
Also rebuilding the kernel may help performance. You will have to use all lightweight programs, window manager, etc to get that hardware running smooth.

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Old 04-07-2012, 04:19 AM   #37
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I followed the instructions provided. The only problem is that nothing seems to have happened differently yet.

Does anyone know what utility I should use to configure my network and card? AntiX appears to have rutilt and wicd in the built in control center. Rutilt spits out a fatal error which complains that there are no network intefaces. When I try to use wicd, I cannot determine what network inteface to use (wlan0 lists no networks).
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Debian is one very customizable distro, with minimal and custom install it is possible to achieve a low footprint memory system, take a look at this, that is an old 250Mhz Cyrix, 96MB RAM.
Also rebuilding the kernel may help performance. You will have to use all lightweight programs, window manager, etc to get that hardware running smooth.

Regards
Just for the record, and not to rub it in ;o) Debian 4 does allow easy network connections and features also sound support.

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Most interesting suggestion. Being as much interested in the topic as linuxnoob2012, I'm going to try this out.
 
Old 04-07-2012, 06:18 AM   #38
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I just downloaded Bodhi 1.4. On my Pentium 1 desktop (225Mhz MMX, 128Mb Ram), with the help of the Slitaz boot floppy (Grub4dos), the CD boots very well at first but after a while the following message shows up: "This kernel requires the following feature not present on the CPU: cmov." A bit frustrating because Bhodi looks promising and seems Ubuntu based, which in turn is Debian based. For the test I'm writing this with that very same old Pentium 1, Debian 4 and Firefox 2. Yes, it's sometimes painfully slow, and there are probably security risks, but it works.
 
Old 04-07-2012, 08:13 AM   #39
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AntiX itself can be traced back to Debian: it is based on MEPIS, which is based on Debian.

To all of the Debian 4 suggestions: Can anyone report a case in which Debian worked on 64 megabytes of RAM? colinetsegers reported the Debian based Bodhi Linux running "painfully slow" on 128MB of RAM. ukiuki provided a screen-shot of a 250MHZ (better than mine) 96MB (more than mine) running Debian 4.

As for supporting my hardware, somehow I doubt that there is any distribution out there that supports my old, proprietary, somewhat obscure network card "out of the box".

I would like to try to get my network card working on my current distribution before installing another distribution. Is there anyone out there who can provide some help to that end?

Again, thanks.
 
Old 04-07-2012, 08:26 AM   #40
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I meant really PI (not even PII ;o), but upgraded myself the processor to 225MHz with a MMX chip (socket 7), and some jumper settings, and no overlocking at all.
Hmmm...you've either missed what I was asking, or you dont know.

Your pentium MMX chip is either overclocked (200MMX which should run at 66MHz x 3 overclocked to 3 x 75MHz) or its underclocked/you have a motherboard that underclocks (233MMX which should run at 66MHz x 3.5 actually running at 64MHz x 3.5) or you've made a bit of a mistake reading your CPU speed.

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Being out of support does not mean out of order, and Debian 4 also comes with OpenOffice (one of the requirements). Now, the guy who wants his P1 or PII on the Web does surely not mean he's going to do risky stuff (credit cards payments and such); and you're of course right with possible security holes in Linux; still better than Windows, no?
Even if linuxnoob2012 isnt going to use the system for sensitive info that could burn the user, its still a bad idea to use an out of support OS. Chances are with a router+firewall setup it would be O.K., but if the system was compromised it could still be turned into part of some nasty bot-net, etc.. Who wants a IP address registered to them to be involoved in some internet shenanigans?

Using a supported OS with security updates means less hassle and hacking with the all the other internet users.

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Maybe true for Windows 2000, but that version was really designed for Pentiums, and there's a whole lot of stuff around (including the latest version of FireFox!), with lots of free GNU software like Gimp and OpenOffice.
As far as I know, windows 2000 was made more for PIIs, not pentium/pentium MMX. That is why the requirements list pentium 133 as the minimum spec, and PII-300 as recommended.

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I just downloaded Bodhi 1.4. On my Pentium 1 desktop (225Mhz MMX, 128Mb Ram), with the help of the Slitaz boot floppy (Grub4dos), the CD boots very well at first but after a while the following message shows up: "This kernel requires the following feature not present on the CPU: cmov."
CMOV isnt in the P5 chips (pentium/pentimMMX). It was introduced with the P6 (pentium pro/PII).

I thought that 10.04 still supported i586 CPUs and it was 10.10 that dropped support for i586. Maybe some of the updating done by bodhi has introduced some package that requires CMOV.....which would rule out bodhi. IMO it would have run very badly on a pentium MMX/64MB system, even if it was possible to get it running.

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Bodhi says it needs 128 MB of RAM. My old Notebook has 64 MB. Maybe this could be remedied by using swap, but I am also not sure about this.
I really, really doubt it. Not that it matters anyway, if it needs CMOV and your system doesnt have it, you cant run bodhi.

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Bodhi says it needs 300 MHZ. My old Notebook runs at 233 MHZ. Clock speed is not everything. It could be argued that a slightly slower-clocked P2 might possibly bench faster than a slightly faster-clocked P1, but I do not know this for sure.
The slowest Pentium II- 233MHz.
The fastest Pentium I- MMX 233MHz.

The Pentium pro was also a P6 chip, and ran from 150MHz to 200MHz. Even though the P-pro had some nice features (like the onchip L2 cache) it was actually slower than an equivalent clocked Pentium I at the time. The P-pros were optimised for 32bit applictions, which on release and for a few years afterward was far less common than 16bit applications.

By the time that the pentium II was released, 32bit applications were more common. Still, with 16bit aplications a slower clocked Pentium MMX could be faster than a PII.

With any current OS, the P-pro/PII should be faster than a pentium MMX. Provided that everything else is equal, a 128MB PI could well be faster everywhere compared to a 64MB P-pro/PII.

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Can you please explain exactly how I would do this on AntiX? I am a bit clueless here. From what little I can tell, I will need to somehow get this b43 driver loaded and extract some custom firmware from a Broadcom driver.

According to that link, the firmware part requires an alternative internet connection. This Broadcom card is the only network card this computer has; it was built before the day in which all computers had Ethernet ports. Perhaps this can be remedied by downloading the necessary components on my Ubuntu machine and transferring via USB thumbdrive?
Argh. Catch 22- you need the internet to get the packages that you need for you network chip to work. Sorry, not your fault linuxnoob2012, just that is getting into things I've never tried. I'll try asking someone I know, its something I was wondering about anyway.

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Sound is still not working (cannot identify/recognize my sound card)
Hmm...open a terminal, run 'lspci' and then post the results here. In 'code' tags is best, it keeps the forum neat. The 'code' tags are the # symbol above the posting area.

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I have a problem with shutting down. When I click AntiX, logout..., and then Shutdown, my mouse freezes on the shutdown button and the USB drive loses its power. But instad of shutting down, the system just hangs there. The computer will not respond to anything except the power button (or pulling out the battery and cord). No magicsysreq, no control+alt+backspace, nothing. What is going on here? I know that the HDD is not yet powered down because I can still hear it. On the next powerup (after cutting power with the power button), the computer insists on checking its disk with fseck.
Alt+Ctrl+F1. That should drop you back to command line only. Log in, 'su' then run this command-

shutdown -h now

That should shut your system down cleanly.

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Old 04-07-2012, 09:39 AM   #41
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Durn. I was gone for a bit and this thread just boomed. Grins.

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Does anyone know what utility I should use to configure my network and card? AntiX appears to have rutilt and wicd in the built in control center. Rutilt spits out a fatal error which complains that there are no network intefaces. When I try to use wicd, I cannot determine what network inteface to use (wlan0 lists no networks).
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ifconfig -a
should show whether your wireless is wlan0 or eth1 or rao or whatever.

For your broadcom chip in Antix. Read this post and work your way down to get a idea on what is going on first.

http://antix.freeforums.org/post23952.html#p23952

Then look at this post also and read on down also.

http://antix.freeforums.org/post16624.html#p16624

Since Antix is based on Debian testing and no

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it is based on MEPIS
That is a misnomer/misconception since AntiX 11. We don't use the Mepis repos anymore. Some users enable Debian Stable. Me I run Testing. Others run Sid/unstable like Anti.

Since this thread and posts are now long to read (Translation, I don't know if the link I am going to post has been posted), and I am busy and in a hurry right now. I'll post the Debian wiki link for your chip

http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx

Plus a fellow member's blog spot that is a broadcom antix user also.

http://brianmasinick.blogspot.com/

Good luck with it. Sorry I can't be of more help to you.

Edit:Just glancing through

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My notebook is so old that it shipped with no Ethernet port
Depending on whether pcmcia slot on that computer is 16bit or 32 bit, (I mention this because I have a doorstop older than yours), A ethernet pcmcia cardbus may be in order

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Old 04-07-2012, 09:55 AM   #42
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Hmmm...you've either missed what I was asking, or you dont know.

Your pentium MMX chip is either overclocked (200MMX which should run at 66MHz x 3 overclocked to 3 x 75MHz) or its underclocked/you have a motherboard that underclocks (233MMX which should run at 66MHz x 3.5 actually running at 64MHz x 3.5) or you've made a bit of a mistake reading your CPU speed.
Thanks for the observation, but there's no mistake: the MMX processor features indeed 233MHz speed, but the motherboard jumpers allow only 3 x 75MHz, which is the 225MHz mentioned in my post and the computer's own statement at the startup. This means I think a slightly underlocked processor ;o)


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As far as I know, windows 2000 was made more for PIIs, not pentium/pentium MMX. That is why the requirements list pentium 133 as the minimum spec, and PII-300 as recommended.
Yes, and indeed even with the 4 original Win2k floppies, installation seemed impossible, till I discovered Grub4dos from Slitaz; then the installation of Win2k went very smooth with only one floppy! Curiously, Windows 98 was quite a bit slower to run the computer with now and then soft- and hardware problems. Those problems were solved with Win2k, and the computer ran faster. I'm still interested in really practical Linux versions able to run smoothly on those old machines.
 
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ukiuki provided a screen-shot of a 250MHZ (better than mine) 96MB (more than mine) running Debian 4.
Nope, ukiuki is using debian 6.0 'squeeze' with that system, not debian 4.0 'etch'.

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As for supporting my hardware, somehow I doubt that there is any distribution out there that supports my old, proprietary, somewhat obscure network card "out of the box".
As far as I know, there are distros that do have 'out of the box' support for the bcm43xx wireless networking chips. The *buntus do, or did anyway. But finding a distro with out of the box support that will run on such an old, low spec system might be impossible.

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Thanks for the observation, but there's no mistake: the MMX processor features indeed 233MHz speed, but the motherboard jumpers allow only 3 x 75MHz, which is the 225MHz mentioned in my post and the computer's own statement at the startup. This means I think a slightly underlocked processor ;o)
Almost all Intel CPUs are multiplier locked, and that includes the old pentium/pentium MMX CPUs. You cant run a 233MMX (66MHz x 3.5) at anything but 3.5 multi. So it must be a 200MMX (66MHz x 3) and it IS overclocked.

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Old 04-07-2012, 10:21 AM   #44
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Here are the outputs from the requested commands:

Code:
lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] (rev 01)
00:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01)
00:03.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1131 (rev 01)
00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01)
05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
Code:
ifconfig -a

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Looks like those drivers I installed the other day did not change anything.

Code:
iwconfig

lo        no wireless extensions.

Perhaps I can download packages to my PC through my Ubuntu desktop. (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...net_connection)

I am in a bit of a hurry myself. I will try the suggestion from that link later.

Wish me luck.

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Old 04-07-2012, 11:56 AM   #45
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05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)[/CODE]
That might be a problem connecting to the internet. As Broadcom has been problematic under linux.
There are ways around it but I dont know any of them.
 
  


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