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Old 01-19-2016, 01:00 PM   #1
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LinuxMint 17.3 Cinnamon - NVidia Driver Install Problem


I have just installed Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon. Upon installation, the Nouveau video open source driver was installed by default.

Using the Driver Manager (assuming that would know how to do everything needed), it was recommended that I use the NVidia 304.114? (not sure of the exact number after the 304) for my GeForce 6200 card. I applied that driver and then the computer asked if I wanted to restart.

Upon restart, the computer booted up and went to the logon screen for Linux. After logging in, when I went to do anything the following message appeared "Cinnamon has crashed - running in fallback mode" and then asks me to restart. I do this but the same message keeps happening whenever I attempt to do anything.

If I revert back to the Nouveau driver, the message does not happen.

I have tried the same process over and over again but the same problem continues.

I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what is causing this? Or what I need to do to correct?
 
Old 01-19-2016, 02:13 PM   #2
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Re-run driver manager?
Have you ran MintUpdate first?
Refreshed the update cache?
 
Old 01-19-2016, 02:19 PM   #3
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Re-run driver manager?
Have you ran MintUpdate first?
Refreshed the update cache?
I assume what you mean by re-run driver manager is have I tried multiple times using the driver manager to install the Nvidia Driver 304...Yes I have but with the same result. I always have to revert back to the Nouveau driver to prevent that message.

I have applied the updates after the install. And I have refreshed the updater to obtain any further updates.


Thank you for your reply...any other suggestions?

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Old 01-19-2016, 02:45 PM   #4
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Dunno.
I am on
Code:
inxi -SG
...
System:    Host: my-kungfu Kernel: 3.13.0-37-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.11.8
           Distro: Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK106 [GeForce GTX 660]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.15.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz, 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 660/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 352.63
304.xx may be "fine" for 17.3 Cinnamon.
Sorry, wish I had more.
 
Old 01-22-2016, 03:11 PM   #5
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Dunno.
I am on
Code:
inxi -SG
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System:    Host: my-kungfu Kernel: 3.13.0-37-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.11.8
           Distro: Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK106 [GeForce GTX 660]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.15.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.0hz, 1920x1080@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 660/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 352.63
304.xx may be "fine" for 17.3 Cinnamon.
Sorry, wish I had more.
From reviewing other boards and information on this issue, it sounds like LinuxMint 17.3 Cinnamon is the problem. Apparently Nvidia Driver 304.131 does not work with Cinnamon. Many people are reporting this issue and it does not appear anyone has found a solution.
 
Old 01-22-2016, 04:24 PM   #6
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Try Xfce?
 
Old 01-22-2016, 04:32 PM   #7
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Try Xfce?
I was thinking about that or Mate (as some have said that works fine ...and is faster than Cinnamon). The question I have is do I have to do a fresh install or is there some way to accomplish going to Mate or Xfce without having to start over with partitioning etc.. Note: I am using a dual boot system with Windows so I am a bit fearful of wrecking my ability to boot into Windows as well.
 
Old 01-22-2016, 04:47 PM   #8
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I would logout of any desktop and issue a
Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login as yourself.
After logging in, issue this command:
Code:
sudo apt-get install xfce4
That's a Meta-Package for Xfce4

After install (and it has a lot of dependencies, so the warning on the install will shows quite a few files)
reboot and choose "Session" or "Chooser"? at the login graphical.
A drop down box should now have the Xfce option.
 
Old 01-22-2016, 08:07 PM   #9
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Why the rush to install nvidia drivers, if the nouveau works ok then use that one?

Fred.
 
Old 01-25-2016, 03:56 PM   #10
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Why the rush to install nvidia drivers, if the nouveau works ok then use that one?

Fred.
Although Nouveau drivers do not result in a crash in LinuxMint Cinnamon, they also do not work that well. They do not render the graphics with much speed and use more of the CPU. In addition, there are graphic effects that are missing with the Nouveau driver. Open GL does not work well.

In addition, one of the top ten things that has been suggested to do on a new installation is to install the proprietary drivers for your video card to get the most out of the system and for the reasons mentioned above.

So I am still looking on doing this but I may have to switch away from Cinnamon 17.3 since that apparently is too buggy.
 
Old 01-26-2016, 01:02 PM   #11
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it was recommended that I use the NVidia 304.114? (not sure of the exact number after the 304) for my GeForce 6200 card.
that is the correct proprietary driver for this card.

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From reviewing other boards and information on this issue, it sounds like LinuxMint 17.3 Cinnamon is the problem.
and i think you are right to believe that.

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Apparently Nvidia Driver 304.131 does not work with Cinnamon. Many people are reporting this issue and it does not appear anyone has found a solution.
and it is unlikely there will be one.
your card is old (and thus weak) and cinnamon is demanding.
it's development will be geared towards new hardware, not old.

but thankfully there's plenty of alternatives and solutions for your problem, as you are finding out.
generally speaking, you might be interested in the "Old computers" category on distrowatch.

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So I am still looking on doing this but I may have to switch away from Cinnamon 17.3 since that apparently is too buggy.
please mind your phrasing - it is not a bug if a desktop environment requiring (!) hardware acceleration does not work with old hardware.
 
Old 01-26-2016, 07:08 PM   #12
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that is the correct proprietary driver for this card.

and i think you are right to believe that.

and it is unlikely there will be one.
your card is old (and thus weak) and cinnamon is demanding.
it's development will be geared towards new hardware, not old.

but thankfully there's plenty of alternatives and solutions for your problem, as you are finding out.
generally speaking, you might be interested in the "Old computers" category on distrowatch.


please mind your phrasing - it is not a bug if a desktop environment requiring (!) hardware acceleration does not work with old hardware.

Thank Ondoho for your responses. I had been waiting and it was nice to get a detailed response. I did end up switching to MATE for the time being and all is running well so far. I may switch back to Cinnamon assuming there is a resolution of the issue.

No offense was intended by my buggy comment. Just reporting what I have been reading. Apparently 304.131 was working in 17.2 and pre but once 17.3 came out ..no longer. Many people with higher end graphics cards than mine are reporting the problem with this driver. The issue was first reported on December 14th and a number of people are trying to find the cause. It may vary well be fixed with a combination of driver update or Cinnamon update. The driver is still being supported until 2017 so that may be the first attempt. There are many people who are waiting for the fix one way or another.
 
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No offense was intended by my buggy comment.
i'm not personally offended.
but we must never forget how FOSS works, and that we're getting the results of a global community effort for free.
and not act like customers who find that their recently purchased product does not live up to their expectations, but instead show some respect for the work of others, e.g. by taking the time to prove that a bug is actually a bug and not just an absence of a desired feature.

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Just reporting what I have been reading.
yes unfortunately this attitude is pretty common.
i'm willing to accept that this is actually a bug - but with a link to a bug report, or some other proof, please.

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Apparently 304.131 was working in 17.2 and pre but once 17.3 came out ..no longer. Many people with higher end graphics cards than mine are reporting the problem with this driver.
higher end 10 years ago maybe (because that's what the 304 series of drivers is there for).
i'm not a hardware nazi, i'm running some pretty old stuff myself, but i think it stands to reason that a heavy DE like cinnamon and a 10year old card simply don't go together very well.

but, as i said, thankfully there's plenty of good alternatives that will work nicely with your card.
 
Old 01-31-2016, 09:45 AM   #14
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i'm not personally offended.
but we must never forget how FOSS works, and that we're getting the results of a global community effort for free.
and not act like customers who find that their recently purchased product does not live up to their expectations, but instead show some respect for the work of others, e.g. by taking the time to prove that a bug is actually a bug and not just an absence of a desired feature.


yes unfortunately this attitude is pretty common.
i'm willing to accept that this is actually a bug - but with a link to a bug report, or some other proof, please.


higher end 10 years ago maybe (because that's what the 304 series of drivers is there for).
i'm not a hardware nazi, i'm running some pretty old stuff myself, but i think it stands to reason that a heavy DE like cinnamon and a 10year old card simply don't go together very well.


but, as i said, thankfully there's plenty of good alternatives that will work nicely with your card.
I was not showing any disrespect towards others ...just reporting the issue expecting some help but anything to you seems to be taken as ...oh you are being critical. The community should be welcoming of comments and issues so that they can be resolved. It is a problem with Cinnamon 17.3 and people should be aware of the issue so that it can be worked on and fixed. Otherwise it is no better than the Microsoft products out there and the lack of responsiveness that had existed for so many years.

You know you do not have to act so condescending towards others. If you would do some research on the issue instead of just taking a holier than though attitude you would find something out.

I have researched this extensively. Even though I am in the Linux Newbie greenhorn camp...does not mean that I do not have knowledge of the subject.

The problem appears to be a problem with Muffin in 17.3. There are already fixes being worked on to correct and prove the theory. And I do not need to post links to somehow prove to you that I am not a liar...

This is not an old hardware issue as I described above. It appears it is related to Muffin or there is still some research being done on the driver itself. The hardware may be older but can still run Cinnamon albeit perhaps a bit slower.


Yes and until Cinnamon gets fixed I will be sticking with MATE

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