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Old 10-13-2015, 06:27 PM   #1
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Linux won't boot from USB/DVD or install


I have tried numerous flavours of Linux - Ubuntu(32 & 64 bit, just about every version from 11.04 onwards), Ubuntu Studio, Korora, Linuxmint, KXstudio, Debian, Kubuntu, Fedora. Where available I have selected the failsafe option, otherwise noacpi, noapic & nomodeset. Most of them flatly refuse to load from either USB or DVD - they get to various points in the loading process then freeze - I have on occasion left things for up to 30 minutes to cook, but with no result.

One of them(can't remember which) did eventually load up after a fashion, but was so slow & jerky as to be unusable.

I have tested the media in another machine & all work fine.

The last version of Ubuntu that will load up and sucessfully install is 10.04.4 64 bit(not much use now), and I have also recently managed to install AV Linux - which works fine but isn't exactly what I want.

Yesterday I did eventually manage to persuade Ubuntu Studio(this is the flavour that I really want) and it seemed to install(I have a multi-boot system with various Windows versions). However although Windows 7 boots fine Ubuntu(including the recovery option) flatly refuses to do so - it usually stops at the "random: nonblocking pool is initialised" message(I have seen that there can be delays here, but I have left it for over an hour with no result).

I have tried the boot repair .iso, and this too flatly refuses to boot from either USB or DVD/CD. Interestingly I have an older version of this, dating from 2011, which does actually load. But its attempt at repair is fruitless.

My guess is that sometime since 2011 something has happened to just about all flavours of Linux which can't cope with my machine. What is different about AV Linux?

This is a self-build system - details are:

Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A87TD/USB3 (AM3)
CPU AMD Phenom II X4 955
Graphics 767MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (MSI)
Memory 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24)

Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? And more to the point how to make Linux behave on my machine?

Thank you.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 06:32 PM   #2
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Sorry - tried to edit typo in heading but this seems to have been posted twice!
 
Old 10-13-2015, 06:43 PM   #3
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The last version of Ubuntu that will load up and sucessfully install is 10.04.4 64 bit
I don't know ubuntu but maybe you can install that again and then upgrade to the latest release over the network.

Not enough information to determine the problem you're having.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 08:59 PM   #4
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Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? And more to the point how to make Linux behave on my machine?

I suspect that the kernel may not have support for your hardware and that could be one of the culprits.
<OR> that some distro's don't support EFI?

As far as making Linux behave on your machine....Linux will sometimes need paramaters and other commands given to the kernel (added to the kernel line) in order to boot or things passed to the kernel for the graphics card.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_parameters
http://askubuntu.com/questions/19486...boot-parameter

I had the same thing happen to me with my Sony Vaio.
I tried all kinds of distro's on that machine and the only 2 distro's that will run on that Vaio is Fedora or CentOS.
All other distro's would not boot or would give me a black screen.

AV Linux is based on Debian so if you want to know what AV Linux has study Debian.
When I ran Debian it was incredibly stable and I had all of the firmware and non-free stuff that I needed in order for my hardware to function properly.

https://debian-handbook.info/
http://www.tldp.org/guides.html

Is your new build a UEFI motherboard and the new UEFI BIOS?
If so you may have to install other Linux distro's in UEFI mode.
I don't have a UEFI machine so I can't say; sorry.

http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...ware_Interface
 
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:32 PM   #5
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simple thought, have you tried a ram test? One stick might be playing up. there is usually an option to do so on most live disks before you boot to the live trial.

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Old 10-13-2015, 09:43 PM   #6
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http://www.memtest.org/
 
Old 10-14-2015, 10:48 AM   #7
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Thanks all for your suggestions.

Rindallir: Trying to update 10.04.4 was when the trouble started! I had to delete the partition & start again from scratch.

Ztcoracat: My machine doesn't use UEFI so that's not it. I know that AV uses Debian - but Debian itself is one of the ones that doesn't work. I'll try some more additions to the kernel line. (also Fred)I have tested the memory - no problems there - in any event I'd be getting Windows crashes and the behaviour would not be so consistent.

rtmistler: (you replied to the other thread which has been closed) The only versions I have managed to install and get fully working are Ubuntu 10.04.4 and avlinux604-xfce410. I'm not set up with a virtual machine - and that's another learning curve! But what would be the advantage over just finding a way of getting the DVD/USB to load up? I have had my suspicions about the GPU - unfortunately the MB doesn't have onboard graphics & I don't have a spare graphics card so I can't try that.

Jeremy: Don't be unkind - I did explain that when trying to correct the typo in the heading I inadvertently managed to post it twice!
 
Old 10-14-2015, 05:01 PM   #8
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unfortunately the MB doesn't have onboard graphics & I don't have a spare graphics card so I can't try that.
How are you running AV Linux w/o an onboard GPU?
Are you running AV Linux in cmd-line mode only?

What's the output of lspci | grep -i VGA?

Here's the spec's on your mobo if you need it-
http://www.cnet.com/products/asus-m4...-series/specs/

You have 3 PCIe slots so when you are able to you should install a graphic's card.
I installed an AMD processor so I went with a AMD/ATI Radeon GPU.

What processor do you have?

Last edited by Ztcoracat; 10-14-2015 at 05:15 PM.
 
Old 10-15-2015, 09:59 AM   #9
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Ztcoracat - Sorry if I've confused anything.

CPU is AMD Phenom II X4 955

There is no onboard GPU - I am using the 767MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (MSI) graphics card but don't have a spare so can't try that. But as I said above I do have my suspicions that Linux doesn't like it.

I'm working in Windows at the moment so can't try lspci | grep -i VGA just yet. I'll let you have the output as soon as I can.
 
Old 10-15-2015, 04:48 PM   #10
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On the surface this system ought to rock.

I'd go to bios and double check that you have selected failsafe or default bios settings.

When you make the cd or dvd be sure to check md5 and burn and the very slowest you can burn to. Be sure to use high quality disc.

Be sure to select a hard drive order when using usb. It is not a removable device, it is a bios order hard drive. Boot to bios and be sure usb shows up as a hard drive choice.
 
Old 10-15-2015, 06:05 PM   #11
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On the surface I'd say that your having problems with your graphics card as it is the only thing that jumps out as not supporting linux. Other than following up on some of the other comments, I think you could try burning the ISO on another computer. I've had a somewhat similar problem in the past, and simply burning/writing the ISO from a different computer seemed to do the trick.

Cheers,
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:18 PM   #12
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Ztcoracat - Sorry if I've confused anything.

CPU is AMD Phenom II X4 955

There is no onboard GPU - I am using the 767MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (MSI) graphics card but don't have a spare so can't try that. But as I said above I do have my suspicions that Linux doesn't like it.

I'm working in Windows at the moment so can't try lspci | grep -i VGA just yet. I'll let you have the output as soon as I can.
Here's the Linux Driver for your Nvidia card-
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-d...0.19.29-driver
 
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:55 AM   #13
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From a memory stick with Mint 17.2 installed, booting to windows, I press 'Esc' to get the grub menu.

This seems to be peculiar to ASUS.
 
Old 10-16-2015, 10:51 AM   #14
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Thanks all once again.

Ztcoracat: Sorry I didn't get back earlier with the lspci output - I decided to remove the failed install of Ubuntu Studio and put AV Linux on instead - this resulted in a lot of fun with boot repair, supergrub etc. etc.! Back up & running now - the line you wanted to see is

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF104 [GeForce GTX 460] (rev a1)

Thanks for the pointer to the Nvidia drivers - but this is catch-22 - I can't install the drivers without starting Ubuntu, and it seems I can't start Ubuntu without the drivers!

Others: As I said at first I am sure there is no problem with the media - all work fine in another machine, and I also have no problem getting into the grub menu.

My feeling, and the consensus, seems to be that every flavour of Linux apart from AV Studio can't cope with this graphics card. I've tried all the modifications to the grub line that I have found(nomodeset, noapci, noapic, vga=xxx)without success.

So does anyone have any ideas? One thing occurs to me - is it possible to boot from dvd/usb into a command line and install the drivers from there(I know that this would be temporary but if I then install the os and the drivers it might work). But if so I am not clever enough with Linux to do this without detailed instructions.
 
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You can not assume the media and reader is good simply because it works on a different system.

If you can get to grub then boot to vesa.
 
  


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