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Old 12-21-2011, 02:51 PM   #1
DHRUBAJYOTI DAS
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Linux on DTP


Dear all,

I am a GNU/Linux novice user, I have started my GNU/Linux journey only two months back with Ubuntu. At present I am using Slakeware 13.37 on my home pc. I have installed and configured Slakeware to do all my home stuff. I work in a newspaper house (PRESS), it's an regional language newspaper. We use Adobe Pagemaker 6.5 , Adobe Photoshop 7, CorelDraw 11 and other Assamese language font packages. All our office PC's are running some version of Microsoft Windows.

I want to know is there any alternative to the above mentioned packages/software for GNU/Linux. Is it possible to use non-unicode Assamese language fonts from windows software on GNU/Linux to produce newspaper pages to be printed on CTP.


Looking forward for your answers.

Mnay many thanks in advance.

Please, forgive for my poor English as my native language is Assamese.

With regards,
Dhrubajyoti Das
 
Old 12-21-2011, 03:26 PM   #2
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Dear all,
I am a GNU/Linux novice user, I have started my GNU/Linux journey only two months back with Ubuntu. At present I am using Slakeware 13.37 on my home pc. I have installed and configured Slakeware to do all my home stuff. I work in a newspaper house (PRESS), it's an regional language newspaper. We use Adobe Pagemaker 6.5 , Adobe Photoshop 7, CorelDraw 11 and other Assamese language font packages. All our office PC's are running some version of Microsoft Windows.

I want to know is there any alternative to the above mentioned packages/software for GNU/Linux. Is it possible to use non-unicode Assamese language fonts from windows software on GNU/Linux to produce newspaper pages to be printed on CTP.
Been covered on here and Google several times. Since you don't say what you real goal is (equivalent going FORWARD? Needing import of old files? 100% functionality, or will 90+% do?), it's hard to say, but:

Scribus = Pagemaker
GIMP = Photoshop
Inkscape and/or sodipodi = CorelDraw

As far as the fonts go, if they are standard TrueType fonts, than most any current Linux distro can import and use them.
 
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:45 AM   #3
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I have installed and configured Slakeware to do all my home stuff.
Probably Slackware.


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it's an regional language newspaper. We use Adobe Pagemaker 6.5 , Adobe Photoshop 7, CorelDraw 11 and other Assamese language font packages. All our office PC's are running some version of Microsoft Windows.

I want to know is there any alternative to the above mentioned packages/software for GNU/Linux.
Well, there are alternatives, but they are alternatives, not direct substitutes, so you will have difficulties if you try to use an alternative as a direct substitute.

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...and other Assamese language font packages... Is it possible to use non-unicode Assamese language fonts from windows software on GNU/Linux to produce newspaper pages to be printed on CTP.
The fonts are likely to be a particular issue; there are masses of fonts available, but not all of them are of a a stnadard suitable for a professional publication, and the coverage of Assamese is likely to be poor, and, as a professional publication, you wouldn't just want to choose any old font, and let the appearance be poor, due to an unsuitable choice of font. These will be constraints that many others will not have. My opinion is that you will have to asses this situation yourself, but don't expect this to be trivial.

How the interface to your presses would work out, or whether your workflow would be impacted in some negative way (I would guess that unless you are prepared to put significant effort into programming the 'glue' that goes in-between the programs that you use, workflow would be negatively impacted, but then I don't know anything about your current workflow - if it sufficiently badly organised and inefficient currently, maybe there won't be any impact at all, even without new 'glue') is difficult to comment on, so those are areas that you will have to investigate.

This is a non-trivial exercise and it should not be assumed that because you have some programs with similar capabilities, you have a system that would work.
 
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:07 AM   #4
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Probably Slackware.




Well, there are alternatives, but they are alternatives, not direct substitutes, so you will have difficulties if you try to use an alternative as a direct substitute.



The fonts are likely to be a particular issue; there are masses of fonts available, but not all of them are of a a stnadard suitable for a professional publication, and the coverage of Assamese is likely to be poor, and, as a professional publication, you wouldn't just want to choose any old font, and let the appearance be poor, due to an unsuitable choice of font. These will be constraints that many others will not have. My opinion is that you will have to asses this situation yourself, but don't expect this to be trivial.

How the interface to your presses would work out, or whether your workflow would be impacted in some negative way (I would guess that unless you are prepared to put significant effort into programming the 'glue' that goes in-between the programs that you use, workflow would be negatively impacted, but then I don't know anything about your current workflow - if it sufficiently badly organised and inefficient currently, maybe there won't be any impact at all, even without new 'glue') is difficult to comment on, so those are areas that you will have to investigate.

This is a non-trivial exercise and it should not be assumed that because you have some programs with similar capabilities, you have a system that would work.



Thanks for your replay,


I tried some of the linux packages for DTP, they are good, but has a difficult learning learning curve for non technical users like DTP operator and graphics artist who are working on windows/apple mac+adobe+corel from the very begining of their carrier. And it becomes very difficult to switch to a new application in a production environment. I tried and after spending a week was able to prepare a A2 size page full of matter (assamese font) with images for newspaper publication but it is lacking in many areas.
The DTP like packages are not as good as Adobe+corel packages for windows/apple mac, they are still in their initial stage. I made this assumpation based on my experiance of only two months, and no idea about others who are using linux for DTP works. All three of our inhouse graphics artists says that Apple Mac is the best option that just works.

At present we are running Slackware on our servers (SAMBA/Squid/DHCP/DNS/Firewall/Web lamp/mail) with out any difficulty every thing works once configured. I was thinking about switching our PC's for DTP/Grachics works due to increasing cost of microsoft/adobe/corel/apple mac applications. After trying for almost six months to make it work on linux (i tried slackware and debian) with limited technical knowledge I finally give up my switching plan.

I think Linux is not ready for DTP/graphics works to be used by users without any technical knowledge.
Thanks, for replay again.

(Sorry for my very poor english)

Regards
Dhrubajyoti Das
Guwahati
Assam
India
 
Old 01-04-2012, 08:45 AM   #5
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Thanks for your replay,
I tried some of the linux packages for DTP, they are good, but has a difficult learning learning curve for non technical users like DTP operator and graphics artist who are working on windows/apple mac+adobe+corel from the very begining of their carrier. And it becomes very difficult to switch to a new application in a production environment. I tried and after spending a week was able to prepare a A2 size page full of matter (assamese font) with images for newspaper publication but it is lacking in many areas.
This shouldn't surprise you, any more than if you were moving from one Windows program to another. ANY new software is going to have a learning curve, and I'm not sure why you think you need to be a 'technical' user to use it. They're not having to configure the workstation, compile anything, etc., just use the new GUI based software. What 'technical' aspects are you talking about?
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The DTP like packages are not as good as Adobe+corel packages for windows/apple mac, they are still in their initial stage. I made this assumpation based on my experiance of only two months, and no idea about others who are using linux for DTP works. All three of our inhouse graphics artists says that Apple Mac is the best option that just works.

At present we are running Slackware on our servers (SAMBA/Squid/DHCP/DNS/Firewall/Web lamp/mail) with out any difficulty every thing works once configured. I was thinking about switching our PC's for DTP/Grachics works due to increasing cost of microsoft/adobe/corel/apple mac applications. After trying for almost six months to make it work on linux (i tried slackware and debian) with limited technical knowledge I finally give up my switching plan. I think Linux is not ready for DTP/graphics works to be used by users without any technical knowledge.
Again, what 'technical knowledge' are you talking about?? And have you actually LOOKED for any other alternative pieces of software?? The ones mentioned here aren't the only ones. Pagestream is another, found after a brief Google search:
http://www.pagestream.org/
http://desktoppub.about.com/od/finds...ourceDTP_2.htm

Scribus/Inkscape/GIMP/OpenOffice is the typical combination. All of these pieces work fine, and don't need 'technical knowledge', anymore than you need to run Microsoft Publisher.
 
  


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