LinuxQuestions.org
View the Most Wanted LQ Wiki articles.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices



Reply
 
Search this Thread
Old 12-24-2005, 05:20 AM   #1
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Rep: Reputation: 0
Linux nub! a bunch of questions from a brand new linux user.


SHUCKS HOWDY! ok guys, im just recently got kubuntu (amd64), i am a moderate to well knowledged windows user but i have never ever used linux. Actually i just have a few questions which should be pretty easy for you guys.

1. Which is the best/easiest first time user version? ive heard kubuntu but am still not sure.

2. Do i need to partition my hardrive? I have a 180gb WD hard drive, I know you can run two versions of windows on the same HD without partitions but being that linux is so different im not so sure.

3. Drivers!!!! i know looking for drivers for a pc before xp was a pain... and still is with a few things. im just wondering if you know of a good driver resource where i can get drivers!

4. whats the difficulty??? like i said i was an ok windows user... but this is something that is comepletely foreign to me...


TooTone

GeForce 6600 256 AGP 8x
Athlon 64 3400
gigabyte kn8 pro mobo
1gb corsair pc 3200
sound blaster audigy 2
Windows XP home sp2
 
Old 12-24-2005, 05:30 AM   #2
Nylex
LQ Addict
 
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: London, UK
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 7,464

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
1. Everyone's gonna have different opinions on this. Since you've already got Kubuntu, you might as well try it . If you find it's not for you, you can always try something else. You could also try "live CD" based distros, which let you see what they're like but you don't need to have them installed on your hard drive (though you probably can if you want to).

2. Yeah, you'll need to partition your drive. If you don't have any free space, you'll need to resize your existing Windows partition. Some distros I think can do this for you, but otherwise you'll need software to do it (like Partition Magic, I've never used it though). There are many different partition schemes you could use, but it might just be best to go with what the distro says as default. You'll also want to have a swap partition, which will act as "virtual memory". When you do install, you should be told about these things.
 
Old 12-24-2005, 06:37 AM   #3
DarkElf109
Member
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Distribution: Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo
Posts: 43

Rep: Reputation: 15
Drivers work a bit differently in Linux than they do in Windows. Most of the things you need are already compiled into the kernel by default, and if they aren't, they're loaded by (k)Ubuntu automatically. Actually, as far as autoloading goes, Ubuntu is really nice, so you chose the right distro there (it was the only distro I've ever tried, including knoppix, that enabled 3D acceleration on my video card automatically (i810)). If you're using an nVidia or ATI card, you may need to get the proper package for that, but otherwise, you should be good to go.

As far as difficulty is concerned, you can't really gage it. Just keep using it, and you'll eventually get better at it. I remember when I first started using Linux...I could barely understand what was going on most of the time. Now, I'm usually cursing Windows for not implementing a decent CLI. It's just a matter of time. =)
 
Old 12-24-2005, 09:29 AM   #4
linmix
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Spain
Distribution: FC5
Posts: 1,993
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by TooTone
1. Which is the best/easiest first time user version? ive heard kubuntu but am still not sure.
See if what you have works for you. I haven't been able to get it to work for me, but that doesn't mean it won't be fine for you. If it doesn't work, or if you want to have a look at other 'easy' distros I can especially recommend Fedora COre and Mandrive
Quote:
2. Do i need to partition my hardrive? I have a 180gb WD hard drive, I know you can run two versions of windows on the same HD without partitions but being that linux is so different im not so sure.
You need different partitions for linux in order to make it work well (theoretically you could do with just one and have no swap if you have a lot of ram, but it's not recommendable) For a first installation I'd recommend creating 3 partitions / (root) which is where your system goes, swap which is an extra memory resource which makes linux so fast (make it about 2x ram, or 1x if ram=>1GB) and a /home partition where your user files go. If you mess up your sysem and aren't able to repair it, at least you won't lose your personal files and settings since they are on a seperate partition.
Quote:
3. Drivers!!!! i know looking for drivers for a pc before xp was a pain... and still is with a few things. im just wondering if you know of a good driver resource where i can get drivers!
No drivers, kernel modules. A lot of hardware is supported out-of-the-box (like usb-drives and cameras). Support for a lot of comes pre-compiled into the kernel. That which doesn't come can ften be loeaded as a kernel module (like ati and nvidia kernel modules). Still other hardware can be configured by editing configurtion files. Read the forums as questions come up and if you can't find the right answer, post here.
Quote:
4. whats the difficulty??? like i said i was an ok windows user... but this is something that is comepletely foreign to me...
Not difficulty, but difference. The first time you used windows, you needed time to figure out what it was all about, maybe you even did a course. Linux can do everything windows can (and more), but t does so differently. An additional aspect of linux is the power of the command line (cli) but have a good look at KDE and Gnome (or any other DE you wish to explore) and everthing that's available in gui before you lose yourself in the neater aspects of this great OS.

Last edited by linmix; 12-24-2005 at 09:31 AM.
 
Old 12-24-2005, 10:18 AM   #5
saikee
Senior Member
 
Registered: Sep 2005
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne UK
Distribution: Any free distro.
Posts: 3,398
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 112Reputation: 112
My answers are

(1) Don't know but installable Live CD are all acceptable.

(2) For 180 Gb with a couple Windows inside you should be able install at least 20 Linux of size like Kubutu in it. One 5Gb partition per LInux and 1Gb Swap common to all of them. The two version of Windows you mentioned still have to live in two different partitions like a "c" and a "D". I run 3 Dos and 4 Windows on my box and each needs a primary partition to survive.

(3) Drivers? What drivers? I have over 80 Linux in a box and have yet to bother to find a driver! Linux uses generic drivers that keep yout system going. You need to install manufactuers' drivers only if you have a need to use the full features of your hard ware.

(4) Difficult? It is different but much more rewarding to know because it opens up the doors to BSD and Solaris systems for you too. After getting into Linux I could dug out all the old dead Dos and Windows, put them in the box to boot them along side with Xp and Win2k. Even if you dismiss totally Linux being a inherently more powerful operating system you still would not be able to resist its versatility working as a giant utility to fix problems of your MS systems. Linux can co-exist with any PC system and reach parts of PC many of them can't.

In my 1.5 years so far with Linux I have learned more about computing than with last 15 years with the MS systems. It is a different world. I am compiling a Grub menu that boots 100+ systems in which the free Linux are efforts originated from over 30 countries.
 
Old 12-25-2005, 11:38 AM   #6
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
sorry like i said new:} didnt know linux was that simple! no drivers sounds fantastic! ok so if i use partition magic... or any other partition software... that wil whipe my HD... and that is the suck! is there any way to do this without me having to backup a ton of crap... and installing windows again?
 
Old 12-25-2005, 12:33 PM   #7
linmix
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Spain
Distribution: FC5
Posts: 1,993
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 46
No need to wipe partitions. Do a search on the forum for resizing partitions. The basics are as follows:

Defragment your windows drive and (if option is available) move files to partition beginning.

Resize the partition - if you have XP there's a commandline app integrated in XP called DiskPart that will do this for you.

Us ethe partition tool of the distro you're ging to install or from a live cd (qtparted is the easiest) to create the new partitions for linux in the free space.
 
Old 12-26-2005, 01:46 PM   #8
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
oh awsome! you guys rock thanks alot!
 
Old 12-26-2005, 02:11 PM   #9
LinuxHuh?
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Distribution: Fedora Core 5
Posts: 12

Rep: Reputation: 0
I also recently set up a dual boot system, XP/Fedora Core 4 and haven't had many problems besides for game specific problems (I play America's Army). Anyway, I would suggest setting up Windows first, as this will help in setting the partitions. I'm not sure how Kubuntu functions, but if it does not work for you I would recommend FC4, it seems to be a pretty stable OS for me. Any way, hope that helps. (By the way, drivers installed for everything in my system, but I had to install ATI drivers for my vid card due to OpenGL not being active with the default OS drivers). Other than that everything worked right off the bat.
 
Old 12-27-2005, 02:29 AM   #10
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
ok now ive heard mention of a live cd... i have no idea what that is... and im getting partition magic 8 right now... so i should be good on the partition aspect.
 
Old 12-27-2005, 03:24 AM   #11
Nylex
LQ Addict
 
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: London, UK
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 7,464

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by TooTone
ok now ive heard mention of a live cd... i have no idea what that is
They are CDs that let you try out distributions, without installing on your hard drive. You just download, burn and boot from the CD. Clearly, they have some disadvantages, like not being able to save settings.
 
Old 12-27-2005, 04:04 AM   #12
nitinatindore
Member
 
Registered: Dec 2004
Location: India
Distribution: Mandrake, Mandriva, PclinuxOS
Posts: 114

Rep: Reputation: 15
Probably what you are searching for is Mandriva Linux, try out 2006, or may be 10.1
One of the best user friendly OS with lots of helping documentation and wizards for automating the tasks.Has an excellent partitioning tool with cool GUI that should make your installation a painless task. Btw. you should have free space apart from Windows partition.

Whenever you are stuck after installing Mandrake, login as root, open a terminal & then type in Golden word
drakconf
a wizard will popup that should help out in all your administration, even far simpler & better than W**dows.

Btw. you really wont require additional driver download, most of them are precompiled and if you are stuck, you know where to head for, right, LQ ? :-D

Hope so this should help you out.
 
Old 12-27-2005, 04:21 AM   #13
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
ok now for my 3 drives... what format shoudl they be? i see linux ext2 and ext3 and then linux swap...
 
Old 12-27-2005, 06:14 AM   #14
nitinatindore
Member
 
Registered: Dec 2004
Location: India
Distribution: Mandrake, Mandriva, PclinuxOS
Posts: 114

Rep: Reputation: 15
Thumbs up

At bare minimum, you require one root(/) partition and one swap(recommended but not necessary). Root should be around 7-8 GB unless you want to install more apps than one supplied on the CD, ext3 is new file system format for Linux and is preferred one.
Swap is recommended to be twice the size of RAM, but it ultimately depends upon how much you want, the more the better, but never make it more than say 4 time the RAM. swap is similar to pagefile in Windows.

By the way, instead of getting stuck at every moment and waiting for help, i hope that this should help you out:

http://doc.mandrivalinux.com/Mandrak.../Starter.html/

Cheers
 
Old 12-27-2005, 02:17 PM   #15
TooTone
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 8

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
nice that would be helpfull... thanks again everyone! ill hopefully have duel OS's soon:}

I do have one question though. ok i have kubuntu on cd... i have 2 linux ext3 partitions and one swap... but when i retart my computer it does not detect my cd... is my cd messed up or do i need a boot disk? If so this is going to be a pain... because my floppy drive is somewhere lost in my house:}

either way im downloading a new copy off the kubuntu website....

Last edited by TooTone; 12-27-2005 at 02:54 PM.
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Linux User with Some Questions HorseloverFat Linux - General 9 02-20-2005 07:44 PM
A display problem from a Brand new Linux user. othan1 Linux - Newbie 3 09-09-2004 11:39 PM
Brand New @ Linux - Got a few questions Balkman Linux - Newbie 7 02-02-2004 10:24 PM
Brand New to Linux, intermediate Programmer, want to program for linux destop apps albertrosa Programming 4 12-08-2003 08:49 AM
Brand New RedHat User - Basic Questions Shinobi Linux - Distributions 16 04-04-2003 09:34 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:01 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
identi.ca: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration