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Old 05-16-2014, 09:47 PM   #16
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Most linux ought to be able to boot to vesa still. I remember some issues with S3 a long time ago. They were difficult then.

You can't boot to a usb to allow it to boot to a usb. You use plop/slitaz cd to then tell it to boot to usb.

I get the feeling that this vintage can't easily boot to usb. I have used a cd of Opensuse to then boot to install on usb flash. Not exactly the same.
 
Old 05-18-2014, 07:22 AM   #17
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Those specs seem good enough for linux. Maybe not ubuntu or mint, although with 2GB of RAM you probably could if you don't mind the sluggishness. Make sure you use the 32 bit versions as in i386, 686, or x86, and do not use the amd64, x86_64 or other flavors that don't match your cpu specifications.

I have a similarly spec'd laptop, but with only 512MB of RAM and an intel 855GM graphics setup. I run debian on it and watch youtube and hulu from it. I even splurge a little bit with pulseaudio over jackd.

GeForce4 Ti 4200

It seems that the nouveau driver supports that card, if you have the port for it. With potential dri support in libgl1-mesa-dri.

S3 supersavage ix/c sdr

$ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage

Various libdrm, libdirectfb hits for the card, and kernel modules savage.ko and savagefb.ko. You might check to see if those modules are blacklisted.

$ egrep -r -i "savage" /etc/modprobe.d/*

A recent update in debian/sid blacklisted my radeon and radeonfb drivers for some reason. Comment out two lines and modprobe the modules manually (or reboot) and I was back to normal graphics for me on my ati hd4550.

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Old 05-18-2014, 04:47 PM   #18
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"recent update in debian/sid blacklisted my radeon and radeonfb drivers for some reason"

It was the KMS issue.
 
Old 05-20-2014, 12:40 PM   #19
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ok...
I tried USB and DVD with linux Mint (16 Cinnamon & MATE and 14), Ubuntu and MX-14 (with and without pae, whatever this means...?) and it didn't work out. Unfortunately I don't have a spare graphic card and I don't know if its worth going to buy a new one just to try...
And then there is my father reasonably suggesting just to throw the somputer away and save the spare time. Still I don't want to give up so quickly (apart from the fact that I don't like much throwing away things, mostly not so polluting ones like computers).

Do you have any suggestions what to do, even if it's giving up?
(Considering that I don't really need this pc and I have my own fully working laptop. I only want to get to know linux better on an other pc before installing it to my laptop!)

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Old 05-20-2014, 02:31 PM   #20
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MX-14 fits on CD. I am not sure if you said you booted non pae MX-14 from Disk or USB.
Also no mention of steps taken to burn Disk or USB.
Whether md5sum of iso was done?

Also. Watch this video for boot oprions you can use for MX-14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X90j9iaavLQ

Pick the vesa option with the F5 key when that boot screen in the video comes up.

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$ inxi -S
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: MX-14 Symbiosis 24 March 2014

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Old 05-20-2014, 02:38 PM   #21
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I don't like much throwing away things, mostly not so polluting ones like computers
Agree with that; I suppose you don't have any electronic recycling where you live? Good luck with getting it to work.
 
Old 05-24-2014, 05:43 AM   #22
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[SOLVED - by hitting random keys!]

Hi you guys, I really don't know what happened: I wanted to start Windows XP on the old pc to burn a cd/dvd with MX-14 (my laptop doesn't have a dvd drive!) to try booting from there, but I was distracted, so I couldn't choose the right boot device. As I had still my Linux Mint 16 dvd inside the drive it booted from there and I got to the install menu. As expected I couldn't choose anything with the arrow keys and out of frustration I hit almost every key on the keyboard (except those on the number pad): I think it was the functions keys that saved me. Miraculously it then showed a text under the selection list and I could type something in (I think it was the install options, or something) and after exiting the options I could finally choose to start Linux Mint in compatibility mode (with these goddamn arrow keys!!!) and it worked!. I could install Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon through the install Manager and got to the Dektop. Unfortunately the computer or the graphics card or something was to slow for the Cinnamon Desktop so I installed the MATE Desktop which works great for me.

Type in the following (like explained and the site) in the terminal to download the full desktop environment and then follow the further instructions on http://www.itworld.com/software/4081...-linux-mint-16.
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sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
Still I had a problem: the computer didn't boot by himself to linux and I could only boot it by selecting the boot device manually in the bios to get in the gurb menu (I think it's called like this... the black box with a white outline on a black screen and four choices: linux, linux in recovery mode and some other things - I don't report them literally because I actually don't remember them!). I could only enter linux by using the recovery mode and even then somtimes it didn't boot to desktop, so I had to reboot. I could start the nomal linux by changing the boot options temporarily for this normal linux in the grub (I went to the line with "linux" at the beginning and replaced "splash" by "nomodeset" and then started with F10.). To permanently make the changes I had to edit the grub like explained in paragraph "How to permanently set kernel boot options on an installed OS (not wubi)" on this site: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132. Of cousre you don't leave "splash" there but you put "nomodeset" like in the forum.

For me it worked and now it boots on its own to linux (without bios fiddling or boot options).
And at last an advice for newbies (like me): I thik it is easier to make changes and download/install things by the terminal because you have only one command and therefore it is more difficult to make mistakes. So if you have a problem look for the terminal solution .

Thank you all for your help and see you soon

fadaquihi

PS: It is really exemplary that one gets so quick replies to the own post in this forum! Great job guys! (And thanks to LinuxQuestions.org, too )

Last edited by fadaquihi; 05-25-2014 at 07:09 AM. Reason: Some problems emerged with the os and the boot options
 
Old 05-25-2014, 06:26 AM   #23
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Some versions of things have abandoned the old tech. Like PS2 keyboards. If you get a USB keyboard you can have fewer issues. Otherwise if you wait a while after bootup the PS2 style keyboards seem to activate at some point. Although hit and miss depending on your versions of things. I mostly had that issue when trying out AVlinux. Grafting a few parts (udev / X11) from debian wheezy onto that distro based on squeeze got my NON-USB keyboard and mouse working at bootup. A USB keyboard and mouse would work, if I hot plugged it after startup until I got it working right. Perhaps not your issue, but something to be aware of for some distros and versions of things. Linux can be a bit of a moving target.
 
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