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Old 01-23-2006, 09:54 AM   #1
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Question Linux Installation


Hello,

I have a new machine without any OS installed in it. I want to install Linux in it and I want to do it from scratch right from downloading the Linux kernel source. Do I have to configure and compile the kernel source in another working machine before actually starting the installation work in new machine

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Old 01-23-2006, 09:59 AM   #2
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Check out Gentoo.
You start with a boot disk, including a temporary kernel which runs until you compile your own special one.
Tedious process to set up Gentoo, but you can learn a lot on the way.

Also , look at Linux from Scratch.

If you are a first-time Linux user, You might want to think about a "normal" distro first--to get your feet wet.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 10:12 AM   #3
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Installing Gentoo was, for me, not at all a tedious task. I enjoyed it quite a bit and love the control it gives me over my system. It also gives you a newfound understanding of how your computer and Linux work.

Of course, I have never run a distro "precompiled" kernel... too many modules for me. I've found that fewer headaches come when you don't have to deal with modules.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 01:55 PM   #4
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If you compile gentoo from a stage1 install along with kde your looking at 24hrs or more before you can use your pc. if its and old lowend pc maybe a week. try ubuntu,fedora,suse or mandriva.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 02:02 PM   #5
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If you compile gentoo from a stage1 install along with kde your looking at 24hrs or more before you can use your pc. if its and old lowend pc maybe a week. try ubuntu,fedora,suse or mandriva.
You missed the original objective. He wants to compile his own kernel.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 02:30 PM   #6
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If you compile gentoo from a stage1 install along with kde your looking at 24hrs or more before you can use your pc. if its and old lowend pc maybe a week. try ubuntu,fedora,suse or mandriva.
I personally don't see a problem with it taking a little while. And now, gentoo has deprecated stages 1 and 2, so only stage 3 is in use. I just want it done right, and gentoo seems to do that for me.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 03:14 PM   #7
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I personally don't see a problem with it taking a little while. And now, gentoo has deprecated stages 1 and 2, so only stage 3 is in use. I just want it done right, and gentoo seems to do that for me.
No offence but are you for real? This is the newbie forum after all and a little coaching on getting up and running may be in order. (IMO!)
Perhaps finding the distro you want to use is a good place to start and then worry about starting from scratch.

I know one idea behind linux is that it's "free" but an idea might be to select a distro with some support that you can reference as you get up and going. One of our projects is to move dozens of aspcoded sites to php and from Windows/IIS to Linux/Apache. The folks at Red Hat (I'm sure the others would work the same) have been more then worth the little bit of money for this nix rookie. Working with those guys can be one of the cheapest linux classes available.

Just a thought.

Best of luck nsrprasad!

/cheers
 
Old 01-23-2006, 06:52 PM   #8
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Is Gentoo easy for Linux newbies?
 
Old 01-23-2006, 07:28 PM   #9
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Is Gentoo easy for Linux newbies?
In my opinion (I did say in my opinion just in case I get flamed)

NO

Try a binary distro first to get the feel of things then progress from there

Good choice could be Suse, Fedora, Ubuntu etc


Pete
 
Old 01-23-2006, 07:43 PM   #10
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A 24-hour installation for Gentoo!

I have been looking around for a distro that can beat Kantoix's installation time of 14 minutes. The quickest I come across is PCBSD. Think it only took about 10 minutes.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 08:02 PM   #11
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A 24-hour installation for Gentoo!

I have been looking around for a distro that can beat Kantoix's installation time of 14 minutes. The quickest I come across is PCBSD. Think it only took about 10 minutes.
From my understanding installing Gentoo is installing EVERYTHING from source (Kernel, DE, etc...). I've been wanting to try it but I can't even get a 2.6 kernel compiled correctly in Slackware (no kernel panics, just little annoyances).

On the subject of slackware, maybe the OP should try it. He/She could go with a minimal install, grab kernel source (and other sources he may want like a desktop enviroment etc...) and build up from there. Its not as much of a "dive-in" as gentoo but will allow the OP to get his/her feet wet.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 08:49 PM   #12
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Even I would agree that Gentoo is not easy for people new to linux. The OP did say he wanted to do things in a sort-of from-scratch way. That sounds like LFS or Gentoo to me. I have felt, however, that the Gentoo documentation is well above par, and the community is incredibly supportive. It all depends on your goals, experiences, and objectives.
 
Old 01-23-2006, 09:38 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by nsrprasad
I have a new machine without any OS installed in it. I want to install Linux in it and I want to do it from scratch right from downloading the Linux kernel source. Do I have to configure and compile the kernel source in another working machine before actually starting the installation work in new machine
For educational purposes you may wish to explore the Linux From Scratch project.

Once you have learned from this all that you can, and tedium begins to replace exploration, you may then wish to consider Gentoo.

If you are altogether new to Linux, however, imho neither approach is advisable.
 
  


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