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Luke771 01-27-2006 04:09 PM

Linux from scratch
 
Now I've been using Ubuntu 5.10 for some months and I am totally happy with it;
but (and very big "but")
It is actually my first and so far only Linux distro; all I ever tried besides is Knoppix, Slax, and Kubuntu on Live CDs.
I'm definately keeping Ubuntu to do regular computer tasks, but I am still curious about other distros, so I made one extra 3GB Ext3 primary partition that I plan to use as "distro testfield", i.e. install, run, tweak, modify, modify more and eventually Ħ*ĸ UP a distro, maybe recovery it, at least try, and then keep playin with it until it's totally FUBR, then delete the partition, create one again and get started with another distro.
I'm mostly instrested in networking, right now (check out some of my other posts)
So what you think?
What distro should I run first?
Any suggestions? (and why)

tuxrules 01-27-2006 06:01 PM

How about some slacking? :D...or may be LFS

sundialsvcs 01-27-2006 06:36 PM

If you're ready, install another blank hard-drive and try out Linux From Scratch.

After you do this, on the same drive try Gentoo Linux.

Practice the mantra: [i]"Omm .. :confused: .. :study: .. :cry: .. :scratch: .. :eek: .. :rolleyes: .. omm..."

Y'know, one of the best opportunities that Linux gives to you is the opportunity to experiment with a full-fledged operating system (of very considerable power!) that you have all of the source-code to. And, you have a "personal" computer, all to yourself, that you can, as you said, f**k-around with. (Better yet, drag that "old" computer back out of the closet, and use that one.)

It's an opportunity that simply has not been available for a very long time, and now, to you, it's "yours for the asking." What you have to do is... dive in.

Nobody ever learned about nothin' just by staring at it. Naww, they just did it, damn-fools that they were. Whether it was muscle-cars or spacecraft or computers, they just did it. And that's how you can learn too. That is, if you dare.

Mind you, plan your escape-route. Pack your parachute with great care. Figure your contingencies. Make sure that you have something (hence the "second disk drive") that you know that you can crawl back to and that you know how to "crawl back to."

Then... stand up on that mountaintop and cry... (with pride) "I'm a :newbie: !!!! Cowabunga!!" :D And start to learn.

The "hackers" of MIT in the 1960's, who hacked Spacewar on a PDP-8, will nod approvingly at you. That's how they learned: they were not afraid not to. :jawa: (Hell, that's how William Gates III did it! How Linus Torvalds did it. How Steven Jobs and Steven Wozniak did it. How all of them/us did it, back when there was no "personal" computer to be had! There were no certifications; "computer science" was not even a subject on anybody's curriculum anywhere. Do you know what a luxury a "personal" computer, yet alone a personal computer of this power, is?) :) You, today, have far more at your disposal than they/we ever dreamed of. Make the most of it...

Luke771 01-28-2006 06:02 AM

I did't even know that there *was* actually a distro called Linux from scratch; I most have seen the name somewhere and forgotten it, then I tought I had invented a cool title for a post... well, that's life, of whatever it is.
To Sundialsdvs: Yes, that's more or less my way of thinking; there are two kinds of people who like cars, for example: machanics and drivers, and thos having most fun are the mechanics (and I am not even putting in the count that you learn to drive better if you really know your car).
Me, I got tired of gas sucking-skull breaking bikes (never been a big car fan) and now I' using a bicycle with a small 350W electric motor and a 3 speed transmission, it's fun and it saves money, but that's another story.

About computers, and more specifcly about my PC, I have already ywo hard disks, but I should actually change my hda for a better one, because it has a lot of bad sectors, so many that is is not possible to run Linux on it, it would need reinstalls all the time, but it *is* good enough to run windows, dont't know haow long yet but I guess I can see taht like some kind of experiment as well; so now I have one bad hd with windows and some less important data, stuff that I can actually affort to lose without problems, and a somewhat better hdb with Ubuntu 5.10 on the first partition, a 3GB empty Ext3 partition where I plan to do my Linux experiments, and one extended partition with the swap space and one FAT32 file storage partition.

I'm wondering if doing it that way is safe enough for my existing partitions, it should be if I am careful enough about partitioning, but of course it can't be totally safe.
On the other hand, the worst that could happen is that I had to throw the HDD in the garbage, losing my existing Ubuntu install, and some data (but the important part is backed up on CD).
Kind of annoyng but no real problem anyway.

Having an operating system with all the code publicly accessible is actually one very cool thing, well it would be if I could actually understand code lines and write new ones, I can't do that but Linux is the best operating system for anybody who wants to have some "geek fun" no matter how high (or low) on the "geek scale" you are, and by the way I agree with you in saying that doing things is the only way to learn, but I don't consider arropriate sceaming on top of mountains and I would never use the word "cowabunga", not even if I knew what it means (well, I just did it after all).
And I've never been afraid of testing opeating system; the only thing I'm actually afraid of when doing computers is explosions ;-)
OK, now I have some surfing to do, and then I'll be installing my new distro. I'm thinking Gentoo and Slackware but I still have to choose one to begin with, and I could choose something else after all... we'll see...

pixellany 01-28-2006 08:02 AM

Quick reaction to a couple of things....

Multiple bad sectors?? Put it out of its misery--it will eventually not work in any OS.

I would try Gentoo before tackling Linux from Scratch. They both require patience and thought, but I think Gentoo will be a bit easier. When you are heavy into customizing and tailoring, I would think of things like these as "kits" rather than distributions.

Luke771 01-28-2006 08:20 AM

Yes, I will put it to sleep eventually, but until I buy a new (bigger) one I need that disk space because both mi HD are only 40BG in size.
For the distro I wasn't actually thinking about trying LFS first, I wrote the title thinking that I was inventing the expression, did'n know that a distro was actually called so.


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