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Old 10-01-2009, 01:50 PM   #16
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your system doesn't seem like it's too old for linux. Some of the dell systems are configured to work better with windows. Isn't mandriva working fine?

just ditch vista it's just a resource-eater. heard windows7 is not that hungry, never tried. The only windows made a little impression on me is win2k though
 
Old 10-01-2009, 02:23 PM   #17
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your system doesn't seem like it's too old for linux. Some of the dell systems are configured to work better with windows. Isn't mandriva working fine?

just ditch vista it's just a resource-eater. heard windows7 is not that hungry, never tried. The only windows made a little impression on me is win2k though
Yep, I'll keep Mandriva. Just have a problem with the Netapplet, but I can live with it.

Thanks everybody for your help and support.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 02:33 PM   #18
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As pixellany has said, 512 ram with no swap might not be enough for a live session, that's why I asked about your harddisk layout ...
Since you didn't install or partition your harddisk any further, you may just re-partition it to have a 1 GB of swap BEFORE you try to boot in a live session again ...
using Gparted CD or system rescue CD to so so is a wise solution indeed...
There's a way around to add swap after you'd already partitioned your disk, but since this isn't the case, do it the right way ....
I'll gladly second what you say about System Rescue CD. It is a great tool to have around, even if they no longer include the manual on the CD like they used to.

But since we know he has enough disk space, perhaps we should suspect the problem has to do with partitioning rather than shortage of total space? And for resolving partitioning issues, the standard format for partitioning data seems to be the output of Linux 'fdisk -l', rather than Gparted. At least the former is a lot easier to cut and paste to a forum post.

And just in case the font isn't clear, that is a letter 'l', not a numeric digit '1'. Execute it as superuser, or it just immediately returns w/o printing anything.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 03:13 PM   #19
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Puppy Linux and Sidux-(XFCE version) are two distros that work well on my system. Your system, resource wise seem similar to mine. There's also Slitaz (only 30 MB) - you'd be impressed and surprised how well this one works. If you try any of these, please let me know. I'm curious to know if the three distros are up to the task of working with Dell. Thanks.

My Box:
Sony Vaio PCG-GRT250
Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
512 MB memory
nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] (rev a3)
40 GB total hard drive space
 
Old 10-01-2009, 03:49 PM   #20
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Puppy Linux and Sidux-(XFCE version) are two distros that work well on my system. Your system, resource wise seem similar to mine. There's also Slitaz (only 30 MB) - you'd be impressed and surprised how well this one works. If you try any of these, please let me know. I'm curious to know if the three distros are up to the task of working with Dell. Thanks.

My Box:
Sony Vaio PCG-GRT250
Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
512 MB memory
nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] (rev a3)
40 GB total hard drive space
Both your machine and perso's are sufficient to run modern major linux distro's ... it's just that live sessions might be kinda heavy to run without swap with only 512 ram...

And about the kernel compatibility, I don't think this is the problem, as both xubuntu and ubuntu releases use the same kernel....

apic problems might be a good candidate

by the way, where are we now ?
 
Old 10-01-2009, 04:18 PM   #21
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I guess I should have mentioned that Slackware 13.0 runs fine on my laptop, but I don't think Slackware is an appropriate distro for perso right now.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 02:48 AM   #22
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Both your machine and perso's are sufficient to run modern major linux distro's ... it's just that live sessions might be kinda heavy to run without swap with only 512 ram...

And about the kernel compatibility, I don't think this is the problem, as both xubuntu and ubuntu releases use the same kernel....

apic problems might be a good candidate

by the way, where are we now ?
I agree that it should not be a problem to run a modern distro Ėespecially when I can run Mandriva 2009.1 but on the other hand that is the only ďmodernĒ variant thatís able to boot.

When it comes to the kernel issue Ė the problem is not that Xubuntu works and Ubuntu does not, but that Xubuntu 8.04 works but not 8.10 and 9.04. Iím sorry to say that I havenít tried Ubuntu 8.04 only 9.04 and that one doesnít work. Since 8.04 has a different kernel (at least thatís what I thought) than 8.10 and 9.04 I got a feeling that this might have something to do with it.

And yes I have a feeling that apic is causing some problems, but it feels like itís only part of the problem. For instance Mandriva works without changing the apic settings, Mint starts sometimes when I use acpi=off and noapic, but almost never if I donít change this, SUSE and Xubuntu (8.10 and 9.04) doesnít start whatsoever.

mejohnsn Ė I will try the fdisk command when I get home tonight. Since I live in Sweden itís now over 8.30 am and time to work.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 02:50 AM   #23
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I guess I should have mentioned that Slackware 13.0 runs fine on my laptop, but I don't think Slackware is an appropriate distro for perso right now.
I think you are absolutely right.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 05:05 AM   #24
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by the way, where are we now ?
perso, did you partitioned and added swap, then tried over ?
we have to finish a point at a time .. we can't check all these possibilities on the same time ...
 
Old 10-02-2009, 05:12 AM   #25
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..Iím now happily using Ubuntu 9.04 on my Desktop. I have however a problem when it comes to my sonís computer which runs perfectly ok on Win XP, but has problems with Linux.

To cut a long story short (well at least shorter), the computer Iím having problems with is:

Dell Dimension 4300
Intel P4 1,7 Ghz
512 MB RAM
GeForce 6200 graphics (256 MB)
OS today Ė Windows XP home
Total HD size 40 GB and almost half of this is available for Linux to use.

I have tried to install (via Live CD) Ubuntu 9.04 Xubuntu 8.10, Xubuntu 9.04, Linux Mint 7, openSUSE 11.1 and Fedora 11 without any luck whatsoever.
Kubuntu, Xubuntu are very similar, Mint is an Ubuntu-derivate,
(Suse never worked with me)
Fedora is different to the once before.
I think the only way is to try some more LiveCD/DVDs

I myself had excellent experience with:
openmamba (KDE) / RPM (APT)
Mandriva (GNOME, KDE) / RPM
SAM (XFCE) / RPM
SaxenOS (LXDE) / TGZ
Knoppix (LXDE) / DEB,
Puppy (JWM) / PET,
 
Old 10-02-2009, 06:17 AM   #26
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Another option would be to disable ACPI in BIOS and give it a try.



Acording to this thread, Suse 9.2 runs on Dell Dimension 4300. So I would try following versions:

Suse 9.2
CentOS 5.x (Yeah, it is not quite desktop type of distro, by I am using it on my MSI VR601-X and I made everything work like a charm, and it is based on Fedora Core 6, and kernel is then enhanced by backporting many new stuff)
Fedora Core 6 & 7
Any older version (roughly from 2004-2005), and then work your way up the timeline.

Also, there are many LiveCD distro's that does not want to boot on some types of PC's, for various issues. My recommendation is to try to install full version and avoid LiveCD variants.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 12:05 PM   #27
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I'll gladly second what you say about System Rescue CD. It is a great tool to have around, even if they no longer include the manual on the CD like they used to.

But since we know he has enough disk space, perhaps we should suspect the problem has to do with partitioning rather than shortage of total space? And for resolving partitioning issues, the standard format for partitioning data seems to be the output of Linux 'fdisk -l', rather than Gparted. At least the former is a lot easier to cut and paste to a forum post.

And just in case the font isn't clear, that is a letter 'l', not a numeric digit '1'. Execute it as superuser, or it just immediately returns w/o printing anything.
So now I'm back home and it's time the fdisk command. I booted with the Xubuntu 8,04 Live CD - and the output is:

PHP Code:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk 
/dev/sda40.0 GB40000000000 bytes
255 heads
63 sectors/track4863 cylinders
Units 
cylinders of 16065 512 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier
0x0e910e90

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        2480    19920568+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            2481        4701    17840182+  83  Linux
/dev/sda3            4702        4863     1301265   82  Linux swap Solaris 

To me this looks ok. I decided yesterday to reinstall Mandriva, but Mandriva did not like the fdisk command, thats why I used the Xubuntu Live CD.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 12:22 PM   #28
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perso, did you partitioned and added swap, then tried over ?
we have to finish a point at a time .. we can't check all these possibilities on the same time ...
Yes I did. I then tried to install Xubuntu 9.04 (directly and not open a Live session first), but without any luck. I then reinstalled Mandriva, since it's been working before. And it worked again - thats nice.

It's a bit of a mystery to me. I can accept that my old machine does not like newer distros - but why is Mandriva the only one working? First I thought it was only new distros from the "Ubuntu world" that didn't work, but as we seen this is not the case. Anyway I'm happy with Mandriva as long as I don't have to mess with my wireless card.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 01:58 PM   #29
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Another option would be to disable ACPI in BIOS and give it a try.



Acording to this thread, Suse 9.2 runs on Dell Dimension 4300. So I would try following versions:

Suse 9.2
CentOS 5.x (Yeah, it is not quite desktop type of distro, by I am using it on my MSI VR601-X and I made everything work like a charm, and it is based on Fedora Core 6, and kernel is then enhanced by backporting many new stuff)
Fedora Core 6 & 7
Any older version (roughly from 2004-2005), and then work your way up the timeline.

Also, there are many LiveCD distro's that does not want to boot on some types of PC's, for various issues. My recommendation is to try to install full version and avoid LiveCD variants.
I just tried openSUSE 10.2 and that one also works Ė at least as far as starting up Live, and since this has been a hard part for many distros so far, I'm confident that it would work to install it too.

With this I think that I will close this issue Ė it looks like it's just a matter of newer distros and my Dell not working together properly (Mandriva is the exeption).

I would like to thank you all for your efforts and inputs Ė it was truly great to get so many good responses on my problem.

Now I will be using Mandriva for a while, and at least I know that Xubuntu (probably also Ubuntu) up to 8.04 works, and openSUSE up to 10.2.
 
Old 10-04-2009, 06:45 AM   #30
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases tells you the kernel version with each Ubuntu release.
if you open a terminal in any linux distribution that works you can enter the command uname -a the kernel version is the first thing shown.
For instance
Ubuntu 7.10 used kernel version 2.6.22
Ubuntu 8.04 used kernel version 2.6.24
Ubuntu 8.10 used kernel version 2.6.27
Ubuntu 9.04 used kernel version 2.6.28

As I understand it Mandriva 2009.1 used kernel 2.6.28 then 2.6.29 which you are able to get running although with netapplet probs.
Now it is still possible that the later kernels don't fully support your Dell but less likely because Mandriva runs ok ish.
I'm using an Amilo laptop to write this and once I moved from Ubuntu 7.10 I had to update the computer bios to the latest version to get Ubuntu 8.10 installed.
Don't be deterred try to narrow down the problem it may be hardware run a memory check if you haven't done so
 
  


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