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Old 08-11-2011, 03:42 PM   #16
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I note that you say you are new to Linux, so you won't want anything that requires a lot of configuration: you need something ready to run, not a do-it-yourself kit. You don't say whether you have a video card; if you haven't, then some of that 192GB is going to be grabbed for video.

ZevenOS will run in 192GB and is relatively easy. Both Vector Light and Antix will run in as little as 64GB, so you'd no problem with them. Antix is a bit more friendly than Vector.

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Old 08-11-2011, 03:44 PM   #17
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Debian runs fine on Computers with 192MB RAM, if you use a lightweight DE or "only" a WM. The same is true for antix, Vector, Slackware, Xubuntu and Lubuntu, ConnochaetOS and many many more.
May be true of course, but at least more ram speeds up the system, while Puppy has
indeed largely enough with 192Mb.

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As far as I know these versions are outdated and not supported anymore, so they get no bugfixes or security updates. I wouldn't recommend to run unsupported versions.
Concerns PCLinuxOS,
true I must admit, at least for version 2007, but I can assure you that KDE 2009
and Gnome 2008 are still perfectly functional for most Pentium 3 users, and one
should perform updates with great caution because they very often cause lots of
problems with PCLinuxOS. I don't see the point in always getting the latest versions
of software either, certainly not when using older machines. The 2009 live cd comes
with lots of interesting software without the need to update; of course there are
still some tricks to learn ;o)
Best wishes anyway, Paul

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Old 08-11-2011, 04:17 PM   #18
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I don't see the point in always getting the latest versions
of software either, certainly not when using older machines.
The point is not that you always should run the latest software. The point is that you should run supported software. You can of course run older software, have a look at older Slackware releases if you want something like that. They get security updates. Software that doesn't get security updates is dangerous, regardless if you run a new or old machine.

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Old 08-12-2011, 07:19 AM   #19
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The point is not that you always should run the latest software. The point is that you should run supported software. You can of course run older software, have a look at older Slackware releases if you want something like that. They get security updates. Software that doesn't get security updates is dangerous, regardless if you run a new or old machine.
This is probably true also, at least for some software, but let's face it: the use of Pentium 3 computers implies some modern software will never run on them. And honestly, when I'm making my music scores for example, I don't see any danger in the use of excellent and stable old software. The same for text and sound editors and many more. If danger there is, I'd say it's the Web. Let's also face the fact that Linux, whatever distribution, is always much safer than any Windows version. If one wants always the latest versions of software, it also means one buys the latest hardware too, isn't it? Everything depends on the user's needs. Best Wishes, Paul
 
Old 08-12-2011, 07:30 AM   #20
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This is probably true also, at least for some software, but let's face it: the use of Pentium 3 computers implies some modern software will never run on them. And honestly, when I'm making my music scores for example, I don't see any danger in the use of excellent and stable old software. The same for text and sound editors and many more. If danger there is, I'd say it's the Web.
True, but try to get a supported web browser for an unsupported version of a distribution.

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Let's also face the fact that Linux, whatever distribution, is always much safer than any Windows version.
While a wide spread rumor, this is not a fact. You can setup Windows to be as secure as Linux, and you can set up Linux to be as insecure as a not properly configured Windows. Take for example Puppy Linux, you are root all the time and no chance to change to an unprivileged user. Sadly, Windows has disabled most of its security features by default, also.

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If one wants always the latest versions of software, it also means one buys the latest hardware too, isn't it?
No, you will have no problem to run Arch or Debian Sid on low spec hardware, if you use a lightweight desktop environment. I had a laptop with Celeron 550 MHz CPU and 256MB of RAM, running Debian Testing with LXDE, and it ran fine. Sadly, it died from a glass of beer a few months ago.
 
Old 08-12-2011, 09:35 AM   #21
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True, but try to get a supported web browser for an unsupported version of a distribution.
Indeed a weak spot, but Opera can come in handy sometimes. Still no problem if no need for the WWW.

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While a wide spread rumor, this is not a fact. You can setup Windows to be as secure as Linux, and you can set up Linux to be as insecure as a not properly configured Windows. Take for example Puppy Linux, you are root all the time and no chance to change to an unprivileged user. Sadly, Windows has disabled most of its security features by default, also.
Absolutely true, even with Windows ;o) On the other hand Linux, being much more diversified in configurations and distributions, is much more difficult to hack, because not all Linux users installed the same distribution. Concerning Puppy, the very feature you mention, is the exact reason why I love it. It is up to the user's choice which security level to prefer, depending on what they want to do. I really like this possibility to choose. Puppy allows the access to any other disk and you're root always; PCLinuxOS allows the same, but you're usually not root. Debian usually does not allow the access to other discs either because, "you have no permission, or not enough privileges, to access that disc or partition", and you're not root normally. The security topic is a very wide one, and may be considered from many points of view and/or preferences.

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No, you will have no problem to run Arch or Debian Sid on low spec hardware, if you use a lightweight desktop environment. I had a laptop with Celeron 550 MHz CPU and 256MB of RAM, running Debian Testing with LXDE, and it ran fine. Sadly, it died from a glass of beer a few months ago.
Yes, maybe, but still: no liquids in the neighborhood of computers! At least one meter distance man, even with beer ;o) Now, to return to the original topic, I'd like to stress that there are many old Pentiums around the world, and that it would be a big shame not to use them anymore when possible, certainly considering the huge amount of things trashed. So: Long Live Linux!

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Old 08-12-2011, 10:29 AM   #22
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No, you will have no problem to run Arch or Debian Sid on low spec hardware, if you use a lightweight desktop environment. I had a laptop with Celeron 550 MHz CPU and 256MB of RAM, running Debian Testing with LXDE, and it ran fine. Sadly, it died from a glass of beer a few months ago.
+1.

I've still got a P3-866/256MB system that I was using most days for media watching, runing aptosid Xfce.

Its still alive, but didnt quite have the guts to play 720p video, so it was moved over for a new pentium d system (just untill I get get a new video card for the much quieter AMD 64 3000+)

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Yes, maybe, but still: no liquids in the neighborhood of computers!
Poor water coolers, everyone thinks they are nuts.
 
Old 08-13-2011, 05:06 AM   #23
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ZevenOS will run in 192GB and is relatively easy. Both Vector Light and Antix will run in as little as 64GB, so you'd no problem with them. Antix is a bit more friendly than Vector.
Maybe useful: I tried out Vector VL 6.0 Live on two different Pentium 3 computers (Packard Bell, and HP Vectra) running both at about 650Mhz with 512Mb ram. Both computers already run on Linux without problems, but Vector did not seem to please them; both start with the Vector splash screen, show some text files, and at last don't go further. I tried a lot of different Linux systems on those two Pentiums, and the only really working ones were:
- Damn Smal Linux
- Puppy 4 and 5
- PCLinuxOS KDE 2007 - Gnome 2008 - KDE 2009
- Debian 5 and 6.

Of course this doesn't mean there are no other working distributions, but these four, among the ones I tried, were really working. Best wishes, Paul
 
Old 08-14-2011, 01:59 AM   #24
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Linux Mint 11 LXDE or XFCE or Fluxbox, works fine...
 
Old 08-14-2011, 03:14 AM   #25
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You may wish to try Connochaet
 
Old 08-14-2011, 04:14 AM   #26
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I would recommend puppy or slitaz
 
Old 08-14-2011, 05:14 AM   #27
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Interesting answers. Meanwhile I continued my tests. No luck with LXDE systems; AVLinux 5 didn't work either on the Packard Bell, but curiously enough, ARTISTX 1.1 Live (for multimedia fans, based on Ubuntu) does work; some classic Ubuntu versions did also work. Did also work: LinuxMint 6 FluxBox, PFLuxLite 5.1.1 (Puppy based).

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Old 08-14-2011, 07:52 AM   #28
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I recently did a Debian netinst and added LXDE on it for DE and so far so good. I only add software I feel is needed with few recommends. Everything works great except for sound. It uses an older Aureal builtin sound device. I'm working on getting it to work when I get extra time.

The machine is a Compaq PII 400mhz with 96mb of memory and 8gb hard drive. Luckily it does have a dvd reader also.
 
Old 08-14-2011, 09:13 AM   #29
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If you want a cool, kinda customized light distro try ArchBang
http://archbang.org/

It is the lightest distro I have found to run on my Toshiba 7000CT Portege 266Mhz 196MB RAM 4GB HDD PII and you can make it lighter by turning off some of the things that start with Openbox, I got mine down to using 26mb RAM with Openbox, about 80MB when running Swiftfox at full tilt.
I compiled a custom light kernel (1.2MB!) for the PII and it runs great
 
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If you want a cool, kinda customized light distro try ArchBang
http://archbang.org/
Is it a very stable distro? I used Debian Squeeze since I will be giving this computer to a low income family for the kids/grandkids to use. When I install Debian for myself, I normally run it as Testing, since I can deal with any breakage as it occurs.

Just curious...
 
  


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