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Have you tried Slackware? One of the points of slack is that it contains a LOT of stuff... which can overwhelm and discourage some folks.
I used it, did a FULL install of just about everything I could think of using. It proceeded to dump a lot of stuff. Then, once I was able to mess around, I proceeded to edit two files directly with a lot of assistance from various online documentation. And it just uses whatever triggers on default when you don't have a "WLAN_WPADRIVER" line in inet1.conf.
The two files are /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf. The second is because I have WPA2 encryption on my wireless. Of course, that mean I had to get the 64 hex string of my key... use wpa_passphrase to generate it.
try robolinux I think it supports ati. if it works make a donation. it appears you have donated to several already thus the attitude but just because you donated a few hundred bucks to a cause does not mean you can dictate its direction or have expectations about the offering. especially when you have given no consideration to the hardware. try running mac osx on your computer and contact apple with the resulting frustration. good advice is good advice. calm dowm, use windows and if you like the idea of linux then do some reading on linux friendly hardware and disto's and aquire some freedom. I picked up a toshiba laptop at a yard sale with a gig and a half of ram and installed solydx and every thing works out of the box and I am telling you on it, it is ten bucks I will never regret spending. cheer up and try again later.
Just like Apple only supports certain hardware Linux can only support certain hardware. Google how to boot your computer with only basic video support. Ubuntu and it's derivatives have a place in the control panel to install proprietary drivers graphically if for some reason it's not there google how to install them via the terminal. While in the terminal type lspci to find out exactly what your wireless card is then google it you'll probably find that there is firmware for it somewhere in the net which will need to go into /lib/firmware. PS/2 support was dropped a couple of kernels ago but can be added back but you have to google it. By now you're seeing a common thread right? Google. This stuff isn't hard and it's not rocket science this is basic computer skills that you should have like regedit in Windows or injecting kexts in OSX. DO NOT expect people to spoon feed you answers on a forum MacRumors doesn't and LinuxQuestions doesn't.
You probably have a bit wrong understanding about distros. You probably think that they are different OSes? No, they are different variations of the EXACT SAME OS - Linux. All the hardware drivers are part of Linux Kernel and as all Distros share the same kernel, then there is no hope for one distro to be radically different from the next. Yes there is a possibility to add custom drivers not found in official kernel tree, but almost no distro spends disk space to ship with all possible drivers that someone might have.
Also you say that Linux is bad, because it does not support your hardware. Does windows support? No! Not without a CD from hardware manufacturer. So you need to compare Linux to Windows without any mfg support media. Only that with each piece of hardware a support media is shipped, makes the difference in Windows world - usually no such luxury in Linux. Thats why I personally do not recommend Linux to people with little computer experience - the cost of support is way above their heads. Better get the money to buy legit Windows license and enjoy the smooth ride. Or get Linux and be prepared to learn and learn and learn from the mistakes after mistakes. One day you will be Linux guru but it takes many many years of dedicated work and education.
Linux is free - you can do anything in there - like shoot yourself in the foot three times a day - just because you were not aware of some small details.
All the hardware drivers are part of Linux Kernel and as all Distros share the same kernel, then there is no hope for one distro to be radically different from the next. Yes there is a possibility to add custom drivers not found in official kernel tree, but almost no distro spends disk space to ship with all possible drivers that someone might have.
Although some distros add proprietary extras so clueless (and lazy) users do not need to configure their systems. And there are some distros, dedicated to the ideals of free software, that remove some of the drivers from the kernel. So the level of hardware support does vary between distros. Although I do agree with your (nice) post.
Although some distros add proprietary extras so clueless (and lazy) users do not need to configure their systems. And there are some distros, dedicated to the ideals of free software, that remove some of the drivers from the kernel.
"clueless and lazy" versus "dedicated" — how about "helpful and realistic" versus "self-righteous"?
You really know how to get Linux users a bad reputation, don't you?
"Linux a Bust?" Obviously not, since so many people are happily using Linux.
The way I approach it is to look for hardware that works with Linux, plain and simple. Rather than try to find a distro that works with certain hardware. Back when I started out with Linux, I read something about "providing the right environment for Linux to run in," and I took that advice to heart. Most distros run fine on my hardware.
Do you guys have a mechanical license to work on HVAC? No? So you don't fix your Air Conditioner yourself when it breaks or runs out of refrigerant?
Lazy, clueless homeowners.
You don't tear down your hot rod engine and replace the valves and rocker rollers yourself?
Lazy, clueless car owners.
That's a pretty bad analogy. You are free to pay someone to maintain your Linux system, just as you are free to pay someone to maintain your HVAC and car. Also, I thought "hot rod" cars often actually are mantained by the owners?
I think its a good analogy. Probably not though. But my point stands...
Most of us have cars and HVAC, and most of us wouldn't think twice about calling an expert to help, because we didn't have time to have a career in Car Mechanics or HVAC alongside our other career. But some people talk down to you if you have a computer that you don't understand.
In my example its a double standard. You don't have to know how a toilet works, and no one will think twice,.. but if you don't know about your computer everyone freaks out.
Originally Posted by Germany_chris
Yes on both accounts I'll fix my own HVAC equipment and I'll be damned if anyone touches my car.
Whats the minimum required CFM return in a 900sq/ft room with 10ft ceilings, and what size duct would have to be used if it were 100ft away from the main stack assuming stack is capable only of your required CFM? What is the correct mixture of blinker fluid to muffler bearing grease in a 1967 Tesla Roadster?
Linux is not a bust. But it is complicated, just as Windows is, and people will need support and guidance and training to use it and understand it. It does not make them clueless. It makes them beginners. And the only way to keep the community and projects thriving is to help the beginners along, so that in the future they can do the same for the next generation of beginners.
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You don't have to know how a toilet works, and no one will think twice,
That absolutely is something that the average person needs to know. You need to know how and when to use a plunger. You need to know how to clean it. You need to know how to look in the tank and what to look for when you turn the handle and it doesn't flush. You need to know why certain things can't be safely flushed without risk of damaging it.
The HVAC/Car arguments aren't really good analogies for the case presented by the OP because they presume that the parts and methods exist for repairing your own air conditioner or car and all that is missing is the knowledge or inclination (which does not really make the owner "clueless" in the dismissive sense).
But the OP's case is more like this...
I bought a travel pass from AmTrack good for unlimited travel anywhere!
I live in Chicago and I want to go to Hawaii, but every travel agent I have tried wants me to spend more money on an airline ticket from LA to Honolulu!
Why doesn't Hawaii provide a train terminal like everyone else? I already have paid for an unlimited travel ticket on AmTrack, why does Hawaii want me to spend more money to get there?
I have tried 20 travel agents and they all want me to buy an airline ticket from LA or San Francisco or somewhere else!
AmTrack has been around a very long time! You would think that Hawaii would have solved this problem by now!
Frankly, I am done with Hawaii, they don't seem to want me to visit! I'm going to Frostbite Falls again this summer.
If that person does not understand that Hawaii is unreachable by rail alone, and that their ticket is only valid within the AmTrack system, then a patient explanation of that fact should resolve it for them.
Some volunteers might provide a free connection like travel aboard a cargo steamer, where they may be expected to do some amount of work during the trip, so we can help them explore alternatives as well.
But if after that fact has been explained to them, they remain angry at Hawaii for not picking them up at the train station in LA...