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Old 06-20-2008, 01:34 AM   #481
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Thanks you very much, to AwesomeMachine. You've answered many of my doubts.

By the way, about the "conv=notrunc" problem, I asked that question because English is not my mother tongue, and I cannot understand some sentence structures. I really cannot get what exactly is about the "conv=notrunc" when the first time I read this thread. Another example is that in fact I don't quite understand what you answered me about the "encrypted drive" problem and the "overwritting free space" problem". Nevertheless, I understand your first four replies very clearly and in fact they are my most important questions. As for the others, I will leave them.

Once again, thank you very much!
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:15 PM   #482
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Post conv=notrunc

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Originally Posted by lawrence_lee_lee View Post
Thanks you very much, to AwesomeMachine. You've answered many of my doubts.

By the way, about the "conv=notrunc" problem, I asked that question because English is not my mother tongue, and I cannot understand some sentence structures. I really cannot get what exactly is about the "conv=notrunc" when the first time I read this thread. Another example is that in fact I don't quite understand what you answered me about the "encrypted drive" problem and the "overwritting free space" problem". Nevertheless, I understand your first four replies very clearly and in fact they are my most important questions. As for the others, I will leave them.
Once again, thank you very much!
The encryption password for an aes loop device is hashed into the file itself. Therefore, the password can never be changeD, nor recovered if lost.

Conv=notrunc means "Do not truncate the output file".
 
Old 07-21-2008, 01:55 PM   #483
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To copy just the partition table, not the entire MBR:
Code:
dd if=/dev/$SOURCE of=$TARGET size=1 count=64 skip=446 seek=446
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

Last edited by archtoad6; 07-21-2008 at 01:56 PM. Reason: Change variable names for clarity
 
Old 07-30-2008, 11:46 PM   #484
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Question Copying MBR; why bs 446 vs 512. Storing on SDHC vs floppy or USB

Awesome information, but still not in Linux Answers unless I missed it. Found this from a Wiki.. link!

In one spot the instructions to copy MBR; bs is 512 (entire first sector of HD if I am understanding all this), but in same document (also in other original; Applications_GUI_Multimedia/How_To_Do_Eveything_With_DD?) the bs=446. Why ? What is the significance of the 66 difference ?

How do I save my GRUB (from MBR?) to an SDHC card [ of=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot ??) since Asus Gaming series LTs lack a floppy? Then if=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot of=/dev/sda as required to restore it when I screw something up!

Would like to zero out first part of SDA so I can install XP pro & Vista Premium 64 bit to an HD that already has openSuse 11.0 & Kubuntu 8.10 (in beta stages still) installed
 
Old 07-31-2008, 09:21 AM   #485
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In one spot the instructions to copy MBR; bs is 512 (entire first sector of HD if I am understanding all this), but in same document (also in other original; Applications_GUI_Multimedia/How_To_Do_Eveything_With_DD?) the bs=446. Why ? What is the significance of the 66 difference ?
Yes, 512 will copy the whole 1st sector, the MBR. 446 will copy only the boot code, see my MBR link, especially the last line in the table "Structure of a Master Boot Record":
MBR, total size: 446 + 64 + 2 = 512
Which you use depends on whether you want the partition table or just the boot code. If you're saving, that probably doesn't make much difference; but if you're restoring, it could be crucial.


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How do I save my GRUB (from MBR?) to an SDHC card [ of=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot ??) since Asus Gaming series LTs lack a floppy? Then if=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot of=/dev/sda as required to restore it when I screw something up!
In the following 2 code samples, I used the variables "N","GRUB", & SAVE_FILE to make actual dd lines shorter, more general & more easily changed, &, I hope, clearer. Since you asked to "save my GRUB", I used "N=446" to save & restore only the GRUB stage 1 boot code, not the partition table, too. Change that to "512" if you like, but be sure that's what you want to do.
Code:
N=446 
GRUB='/dev/sda';  SAVE_FILE=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot
dd if=$GRUB of=$SAVE_FILE bs=$N count=1
To restore, reverse 'if' & 'of':
Code:
N=446
GRUB='/dev/sda'; SAVE_FILE=/media/SDHC/MBR.boot
dd if=$SAVE_FILE of=$GRUB bs=$N count=1

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Would like to zero out first part of SDA so I can install XP pro & Vista Premium 64 bit to an HD that already has openSuse 11.0 & Kubuntu 8.10 (in beta stages still) installed
Assuming to want to wipe all Linux, not make a quad-boot installation.
<rant>
<severe flames omitted />
</rant>
I think this might be unnecessary, but I would:
Code:
dd if=/dev/zero of=$SDA bs=512 count=1
I believe that will make the disk appear blank to the M$ installer(s).
 
Old 08-19-2008, 05:08 AM   #486
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I've taken non-technical posts of dubious content out of
the dd thread and slapped them into General. I'm afraid
I have better things to do than sieve through 24 pages of
a thread that should have been a Linux answer in the first
place, if people spot more posts in here that should be
gone, please report those individually.


Cheers,
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Old 08-19-2008, 03:37 PM   #487
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Thanks Tink!

Last edited by AwesomeMachine; 08-19-2008 at 04:57 PM.
 
Old 08-21-2008, 12:47 PM   #488
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Can this thread be made Sticky either on a Global or Personal basis. It will take some time to read and comprehend. During that time it would be handy if it showed up on the first page.
 
Old 08-21-2008, 02:05 PM   #489
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Can this thread be made Sticky either on a Global or Personal basis. It will take some time to read and comprehend. During that time it would be handy if it showed up on the first page.
This has been requested a couple of times, and while
I appreciate that it's of great interest for some it's not
of great interest for the majority visiting LQ; so no, it
ain't happening. Just subscribe to the thread, and you
should be able to hunt it down easily.


Cheers,
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Old 08-24-2008, 04:55 AM   #490
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Great stuff . It's a pity there is no 'printer-friendly' version available ?
( using the print button in Firefox truncates the long lines . )
 
Old 08-27-2008, 10:45 AM   #491
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Question Using the dd-tool on an extended partition ?

One of my drives contains an extended partition (/dev/sdb4) :
- in it are two logical partitions :
-- one of them (sdb5) being my /home partition
-- the other sdb6 is an NTFS partition
-- the remaining of the sdb4 partition is still unallocated ( 127 gb )

What is the best policy to backup this extended partition with dd , how to save the partition-table(s) , how to avoid backing up the unallocated area or is this space unreachable by default ??
Can dd be used to backup and restore a single logical partition ?
A lot of questions , I know .
Extended partitions still have an esoteric aspect to me.
Thanks for the help .
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:06 AM   #492
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Since many members, and even some of the mods request this post to be stickied, I'll give my opinion. Sticky posts should be reserved for posts that practically everyone who enters the forum would benefit from reading. The DD post is a good post, but I don't think it is worthy of a sticky.

Because I haven't previously suggested this, I will advise users who wish to have this post in a convenient place, to bookmark it. The URL for the post doesn't change, that I'm aware of. If this is impossible for some reason, members searching for this post may use the advanced search function, search for posts with the word, 'Learn', in the title, search only titles, and only posts made by AwesomeMachine.

This narrows the number to only a few. It isn't difficult to find this one, and you just click on the link, and it brings you right here.
 
Old 08-28-2008, 04:27 AM   #493
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One of my drives contains an extended partition (/dev/sdb4)

-- in it are two logical partitions :
-- one of them (sdb5) being my /home partition
-- the other sdb6 is an NTFS partition
-- the remaining of the sdb4 partition is still unallocated ( 127 gb )

What is the best policy to backup this extended partition with dd , how to save the partition-table(s) , how to avoid backing up the unallocated area or is this space unreachable by default ??
Can dd be used to backup and restore a single logical partition ?
A lot of questions , I know.
PC hard drives are limited to 4 primary partitions. There are only enough bytes for 4 partitions in the Master Boot Record, or sector 1 of the HDD. But, the drive only needs 1 primary partition, and the other 3 partitions can be made logical.

Within a logical partition entry, is a pointer to where the logical partition is located on the drive. Within this location is logical partition table, that describes the logical drives within the logical (or extended), partition.

There is a limit to how many logical drives there can be in a logical partition, but it isn't a realistic limitation.

When one uses dd, he makes verbatim copies of filesystems. I don't think it would work to use dd on a logical partition, and have it duplicate all the logical file systems. You would want to use the logical drive devices, specified to dd.

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

/dev/sdb1 1 13 104391 83 Linux
/dev/sdb2 * 14 2180 17406427+ 83 Linux
/dev/sdb3 2181 8554 51199155 83 Linux
/dev/sdb4 8555 14495 47721082+ 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 8555 14176 45158683+ 83 Linux
/dev/sdb6 14177 14495 2562336 83 Linux

You would not use /dev/sda4, but rather /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6, within /dev/sda4. Because the unallocated space is not part of a file system, it will not be duplicated, unless you specify /dev/sda4, in the above example.
 
Old 08-28-2008, 05:34 AM   #494
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> How to make a bootable CD from a bootable floppy
> Put the floppy in the floppy drive, and don't mount it.
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/sam/floppy.img

Hey AwesomeMachine, I found your article incredibly useful! Didn't quite follow why we need to unmount the floppy drive above. Would you reply back, or alternatively, include inline a few words on the whys of it? Many thanks!
 
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> How to make a bootable CD from a bootable floppy
> Put the floppy in the floppy drive, and don't mount it.
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/sam/floppy.img

Hey AwesomeMachine, I found your article incredibly useful! Didn't quite follow why we need to unmount the floppy drive above. Would you reply back, or alternatively, include inline a few words on the whys of it? Many thanks!
I made a slight adjustment to the OP. There are several reasons. The best one is that files mounted as loop devices are not simultaneously available as files.
 
  


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