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Old 11-06-2008, 09:11 AM   #1
anverayob
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Question KDE vs Gnome??


I am a new new new newbie to linux. I have previously used knoppix and the ubuntu 7 version. I have also used mandriva 2006. I now want to learn how to use ubuntu 8.10 which i have recently installed on my acer aspire one notebook.

Since I have been installing and setting up windows systems since windows 3.1 until now, this is the first time I am using linux properly. So far, so good. I just need to know some of the terminology, and i need to know some methods on how things are done, since i don't know the linux code so well.

I have a number of questions which need answering (in windows user's terms)

1.) what is the difference between a Gnome environment and a KDE environment?
2.) Different people use different versions of linux, and all these people say that the version that they use is better. I have used mandriva in the past, but ubuntu seems to have stuck on me, and i like it. What is the difference (in windows users terms) between all these different versions of software? Because all of them have the same (or similar) features.
3.) how and where do i get documentation on where to learn commands and linux file types and how they operate? Do the normal exe and Zip files read as the same format?
4.) where can i download extra opensource software for linux (example ubuntu 8.10) any third party software?
5.) Will simple windows applications work on Ubuntu? Apps such as corel draw? or maybe point of sale software or accounting software such as Accpac?

Please advise.

Thank you.
 
Old 11-06-2008, 09:32 AM   #2
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I am a new new new newbie to linux. I have previously used knoppix and the ubuntu 7 version. I have also used mandriva 2006. I now want to learn how to use ubuntu 8.10 which i have recently installed on my acer aspire one notebook.
Welcome to LQ!! For your next threads, please consider one question per thread---this make things easier to follow. (But don't create more threads on KDE vs Gnome!!! There are 14.35 bazillion already....


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1.) what is the difference between a Gnome environment and a KDE environment?
Many differences---the best advice is to try both. (an easy way to try KDE with Ubuntu is to install Kubuntu, but you can also get KDE with the package manager (see below))
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2.) Different people use different versions of linux, and all these people say that the version that they use is better. I have used mandriva in the past, but ubuntu seems to have stuck on me, and i like it. What is the difference (in windows users terms) between all these different versions of software? Because all of them have the same (or similar) features.
The best distro (version) is maybe just the last one you try. http://distrowatch.com is a good starting point for comparisons.
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3.) how and where do i get documentation on where to learn commands and linux file types and how they operate? Do the normal exe and Zip files read as the same format?
http://tldp.org
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4.) where can i download extra opensource software for linux (example ubuntu 8.10) any third party software?
start with the package manager---Synaptic or the other one whose name just went out of my brain.
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5.) Will simple windows applications work on Ubuntu? Apps such as corel draw? or maybe point of sale software or accounting software such as Accpac?
Windows applications will work in Linux only with WINE or Crossover (the commercial version of WINE). There are databases with apps that work.
Much better to find the equivalent native Linux versions (which now exist for almost everything)
 
Old 11-06-2008, 09:33 AM   #3
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1.) what is the difference between a Gnome environment and a KDE environment?
Two different window managers. They do the same thing (provide a GUI), but look and act differently. There is also Fluxbox, IceWM, Enlightenment, Blackbox, and others. You have the choice as to what you use, and how. Unlike with Windows....

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2.) Different people use different versions of linux, and all these people say that the version that they use is better. I have used mandriva in the past, but ubuntu seems to have stuck on me, and i like it. What is the difference (in windows users terms) between all these different versions of software? Because all of them have the same (or similar) features.
Slight differences in how they're set up, where some config files are, and what some distro specific utilities are called. They all do the same thing, it's just a matter of preference. You can try them all, and find one that you really like. If Ubuntu fits, stick with it. I used to be a big Mandrake/Mandriva supporter, but over the past few years, have gone to OpenSuSE. If a program works in Mandriva, it'll almost certainly work under Ubuntu.

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3.) how and where do i get documentation on where to learn commands and linux file types and how they operate? Do the normal exe and Zip files read as the same format?
Nope...no such thing as an EXE file in Linux (well, there CAN be, since you can name files whatever you want...). Zip files are there, and work the same way, but you are not limited by file extension. This page http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz will get you going with commands, and some basic stuff. More questions? Well, you obviously found us....so come back!

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4.) where can i download extra opensource software for linux (example ubuntu 8.10) any third party software?
Tons of it, in lots of different places. Google is a good start, as is here. Best thing is to look for applications for Linux, which replace a function in Windows. Photoshop won't work in Linux, but GIMP is a great replacement for it. Microsoft Office? No...OpenOffice for Linux. You've got every bit of functionality under Linux as you did under Windows, and more. YOU get to pick what you want, how you want it to look.

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5.) Will simple windows applications work on Ubuntu? Apps such as corel draw? or maybe point of sale software or accounting software such as Accpac?
See above. No, Windows programs are for Windows, just as Mac programs run on Macs. You might be able to get some things running with WINE, but go with native applications first. Check out Gnucash and KMoney for financial software, but there are others, too. Lots of drawing/graphics options, which can easily replace Draw (see Gimp for one...)
 
Old 11-06-2008, 10:02 AM   #4
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Sorry didnt mean to step on any posts

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Old 11-06-2008, 10:21 AM   #5
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This kind of tittles are "dangerous" People get excited when comparing things hehe.

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1.) what is the difference between a Gnome environment and a KDE environment?
Too big question. KDE and Gnome are different entities that can't be compared. It's like asking what's the difference between Europe and America. In first place, they are two different entities that share no codebase at all, and that aims for very different purposes. Trying to compare them in a post here would offer an overly simplistic view of both of them. Just download a couple of livecds and try them. Ubuntu uses Gnome by default, SuSE and Kubuntu use KDE by default. Test them, taste them, and choose yourself. There are more desktops around, like XFCE. You also have standalone Window Managers, but you probably don't want to bother with those until you are a bit more familiar with linux at least.

Not that the screenshots are gonna tell you anything at all about the desktop itself, but if you wanna see some, you can look in lynucs.org

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2.) Different people use different versions of linux, and all these people say that the version that they use is better.
Just like my car/country/football team is always better than yours It's just the human spirit.

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I have used mandriva in the past, but ubuntu seems to have stuck on me, and i like it. What is the difference (in windows users terms) between all these different versions of software? Because all of them have the same (or similar) features.
The differences amongst the distros can be many, some random ones that I can think of right now:
  • availability of documentation
  • quality of the documentation and target audience (more or less technical)
  • user base, in both size and spectrum (there are distros that are targeted to more technical users than others)
  • package manager, one of the most distinctive things (rpm, deb, source based...)
  • update cycles and support cycles
  • some has enterprise professional support, if you pay 'course
  • hardware range, there are distros meant for older hardware, there are distros that always use the latest and shiniest and utterly experimental stuff

At the end of the day, the same set of software is available for all the distros, though certainly some distros fit each person better than others. So far it's just a matter of trying many and see what do you miss and what do you hate.

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3.) how and where do i get documentation on where to learn commands and linux file types and how they operate? Do the normal exe and Zip files read as the same format?
exe files are windows executables, which won't run on linux. Just like a megadrive game won't run on a playstation. zip files can be uncompressed just like you do on windows, but that doesn't meant that the contents is going to be of any use if they contain a windows program. You can uncompress the zip files, what to do with their contents depends on the contents of course.

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4.) where can i download extra opensource software for linux (example ubuntu 8.10) any third party software?
In linux you don't go hunting the web for apps to download and install them. In linux you usually use the package manager of your distro for such task. I recommend reading at least the basic user and administration documents for your distribution of choice. There should be some material on their web.

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5.) Will simple windows applications work on Ubuntu? Apps such as corel draw? or maybe point of sale software or accounting software such as Accpac?
  1. No.
  2. There's nothing "simple" about coreldraw. It's a very complex application indeed, at both user and source level for sure (though obviously I haven't reviewed the sources).
  3. If you are using Linux, I advise to use Linux applications instead. Otherwise, if you want to run windows programs, it only makes sense to run windows and not linux.

inkscape is a good open source alternative to coreldraw.

You might have some luck running windows applications under wine, but not necessarily. And anyway that should be used as a fallback when there's really no linux alternative that can do the work. As said: if you are going to be using windows programs for everything, then run windows and you will be happier and suffer much less.

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