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Old 02-19-2006, 11:20 PM   #1
Qwertyshoe
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KDE Login Problems


So I'm basically a noob, and I'm having troubles with logging into KDE. I installed the stable distribution of Debian using the first full CD to boot, and then a http mirror to complete the install. My troubles began when I noticed that for some reason the desktop acted strange when I changed font sizes. Some applications would respond immediately, but others wouldn't respond at all. I consulted a friend who has been using Linux for a couple years, and together we managed to discover that apparently in the default installation of a Desktop Environment, Debian defaults to GNOME, and running KDE instead just sort of lays a KDE front-end onto a GNOME back-end. This seems to be the reason for the funny font behavior, because as soon as I opened the font manager in the GNOME control center, all the fonts immediately changed to reflect my changes in the KDE control center. I decided that the best way to resolve this situation would be to run KDE as a stand-alone desktop environment. To this end, I used 'apt-get install kdm', and then changed the default desktop environment to kdm using the file '/etc/X11/default-display-manager'. I restarted the system, and it took me to the KDE login screen. I logged in like normal, but instead of opening my desktop, the screen went black and then returned to the login screen. With the help of my friend, I forced GNOME to load again (which worked fine), and looked at the kdm log (the file '/var/log/kdm.log') and was somewhat surprised to find no errors what-so-ever. This is the body of what was there:

Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o": No symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_vertex.o": No symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
QImage::convertDepth: Image is a null image
QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image


At this point we tried to handle those warnings about the fonts, but we didn't manage to fix anything, and the behavior remains the same. I now have no idea how to proceed. I like KDE more than GNOME, but I don't want to keep running into small conflicts it's having with the GNOME underpinnings. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 01:01 AM   #2
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Hmm...I've never had any problems with KDE and Gnome. AFAIK, KDE and Gnome are completely separate window managers that run over X, just like IceWM and FluxBox.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 01:47 AM   #3
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Have you tried removing Gnome completely then using KDE?
 
Old 02-20-2006, 04:39 AM   #4
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I believe this is a conflict between gdm and kdm. In your first post, you said that KDE is a frontend to gnome, do you mean that you are running two X? If this is the case, try exiting GNOME and see if KDE becomes more stable.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 01:24 PM   #5
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I believe this is a conflict between gdm and kdm. In your first post, you said that KDE is a frontend to gnome, do you mean that you are running two X? If this is the case, try exiting GNOME and see if KDE becomes more stable.

When I say that KDE is a front-end to GNOME, I mean that I looked at the running processes and kdm was no-where to be found. gdm, however, was running, along with a bunch of other programs that I had always previously assumed were kdm specific (i.e. the program names started with the letter k). This also means that I didn't have a complete installation of kdm initially. I tried terminating gdm and running kdm when I first discovered the problem and it wouldn't even initialize. That's when I used apt-get to install kdm. Then I ran into the problem I originally described.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 02:25 PM   #6
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As stated Debian installs Gnome. I found the easiest way to get KDE to work was to just use apt-get to uninstall Gnome first then install KDE but I'm an always-newbie in Linux so your mileage may vary.
 
Old 02-20-2006, 05:28 PM   #7
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I tried what some of you suggested and un-installed gdm. It had no effect that I could tell. I was a little frightened that re-installing gdm would introduce the same behavior into gdm, but it worked just as it did before. I did discover something else interesting, however. After a quick google search, I found a few references to similar login issues, and many of them seemed to mention the file '/var/run/kdm.pid'. I have no idea what that file is supposed to do, but I tried to look at it (out of pure curiosity), and discovered that there is no file of that name in the /var/run directory. Could this be the issue?
 
Old 02-20-2006, 07:28 PM   #8
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Have you tried starting up kde without using any graphical loader (kdm or gdm)?. When you are at the login screen switch to a terminal by pressing ctrl+alt+f1. Login as root and telinit 3 to close all the graphical stuff (though I'm not sure debian uses runlevel 3 as non graphical mode). If that doesn't work (if it opens up the graphical loader again) just kill the X server (killall Xorg if you're running Xorg otherwise kill XFree86). Then exit root and login as normal user and type "startx".
 
Old 02-21-2006, 02:29 PM   #9
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Alright, well I have no idea what I did, but suddenly it works. I think maybe I upgraded or something? I don't know, but it works now, so I'm happy.
 
  


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