riahc3
after 12 YEARS and 99 posts
i really have to question the validity of this thread

you want to use Microsoft programs ONLY

this is looking and smelling VERY trollish

You begin by totally dismissing an excellent response at the third line because you so totally comprehend it and can see that it has nothing else worthy of your consideration.

You then brush of my own simply stated, clear observation as childish only because I used a commonly accepted acronym in its commonly accepted context when offering it (an acronym which you clearly understood, no less!).

You already seem to have all the answers so why post your question to us kiddies at all?

It is not only your own time that you are wasting by this lazy, thoughtless and inconsiderate approach, but that of every thoughtful and intelligent person willing to help you.

Why indeed! Only you can answer that!

Please reconsider your premise, grow up as it were, or politely leave those of us who understand and love our Linux, in peace. You, we and Linux generally, will be better off as a result.

1 - How do you expect to learn a system if you refuse to use that system's applications?
2 - How will using Windows applications in Wine help you learn Linux?

Unlike a few other respondents, I am not at all confused. You are not the first person to show up on a Linux board with such desires. And you will not be the last.

273 makes a number of statements critical of Microsoft. Since 273 might be biased here's a link to the official site holding the Finding of Fact in the matter of United States of America v. Microsoft. What 273 says is virtually high praise compared to the scathing analysis of U.S. Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson. Everyone should take the time to read Jackson's in-depth legal opinion of Microsoft's criminal tactics. Damn shame Nixon didn't live or he would have made a fine successor to Gates--of course Cheney and W. wouldn't have been too bad either. My apologies to anyone whose politics my rant has offended.

Dual-boot is the same as a LiveCD. It doesnt force you to use Linux.

Also, Linux will be on my laptop. As I stated before, I have a server running WS2012R2 and another PC running Windows 7. Those will be my daily operators but the laptop is used on my bed to view the things I mentioned in the OP.

You can't swim in a fur coat, skis and fur gloves? How do you swim?

The proper analogy would be I want to learn how to swim but I dont want to get wet.


Obviously, Im not going to buy a system for one OS, be it Windows, OS X, or any version of Linux.

Yes, I was refering to Microsoft Office. You are right that I should have made it clear. I tried LibreOffice and it doesnt give that same experice/quickness as MS Office.
The problem with dual-booting and/or VMs is that it doesnt FORCE you to use Linux.

My stated goals are basically to use Linux day in day out but I still want to stick to programs I like.

The quickest way of putting Microsoft is MS. Period.

MS= (Caps) m s
M$= (Caps) m (hold Shift) 4

Anyone who puts the second method has the only childish goal of looking cool and hating on a company who wants to make profit. Simple as that.

I simply ignore any post that puts it the second method

(As a matter of fact, you have given me a idea for a signature. Thank you)


Why would I waste my time trolling?

I know Linux. I just want to perfect using it in and out.
Actually, "that system's application" isnt really Linux.
VLC - Multiplatform
LibreOffice - Multiplatform
WINE wrapper applications (Skype, Teamviewer, etc) - Multiplatform
uTorrent itself has a Linux server version

So that leaves us with vSphere Client, mIRC, and Microsoft Office as the only software which are not multiplatform...

Well bully for you. I suggest you don't use the cancer that is Linux which steals Microsoft patents then.
I really don't know why you're posting here unless you are trolling.

You say you want to perfect using Linux in and out, but you only want to run programs through Wine.
You don't want to learn Linux. You want Linux to be exactly like Windows.
From some of your other posts, I can tell that you aren't serious about using Linux.
In one of the threads you started, you wanted to learn how to make a usb stick get hot via command line.
It shouldn't take someone 12 years to learn Linux.
You're like the person who wants to learn how to drive, but doesn't want to get behind the wheel.

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@riahc3

Please consider leaving the moderation to us moderators. If you find an issue with a post by other members then press the <Report> button for that post(s) then reply in the report window.

Please take in consideration that you presented a request for help with Linux on a LQ Linux forum. I also use M$ to represent Microsoft and like other members do not find it as childish. Your challenges to other LQ members and expect respect then you should consider showing respect to fellow LQ members. You should consider re-reading LQ Rules.

You stated earlier that you know Linux. Then why the need to learn to use a Gnu/Linux?

What you are wanting to do with a Gnu/Linux is not practical and you will experience some major issues that you will eventually blame on a Gnu/Linux when those problem(s) would be self created/generated.

One question, is to why you want to use a Gnu/Linux in this fashion? Stick with M$ Windows and you will not have the need too post here at LQ and get the replies you seem to ignore anyway.

I don't think that this thread is going to be productive any longer.
TBH, I see this at the tipping point of turning into a all out flame war of MS/$ versus Linux.

Why are we attempting to reason with the OP when it is clearly not benefiting anyone?

If you want to be made to learn linux. Then I recommend to start a LFS installation and make it however you want it.

Ubuntu is the distro which shows the most similarities to Windows: the normal user can gain admin rights, command line is discouraged, technical items are hidden as much as possible. Note this is not Ubuntu server which seems to be slightly better. Some Ubuntu versions offer the latest and greatest software versions. Which are pretty full of bugs.

That doesnt seem to be problem.

Other members said this as well, but let my try to say this in a more neutral way. You cannot only replace the OS and have your Windows applications. Most of the applications running on Windows are not multi-platform. It is a problem most people migrating Linux have to deal with. It is either migrating to Linux and use Linux or multi-platform programs, or stick with Windows. If using just those Windows programs is non-negotiable you simply don't have a choice but stay on Windows.

This having said, most programs have a full functional equivalent on Linux. Except for Office. LibreOffice is not compatible with MSOffice. It used to be not bad, but the last few LO versions I have seen seriously impacted my productivity.

jlinkels

If you want to be "FORCED" to use Linux, then abandon your reliance on those few Windows only applications you use.

Cancer that is Linux? Where did that come from???

Linux is not a cancer. Runs most of the web servers in the world and most supercomputers also. I think I must have misunderstood your post....

I don't exclusively want to run programs thru WINE.

Lets say for example I used VLC on my Windows machines. I would use the native version of VLC for Linux. I wouldnt use VLC for Windows thru WINE.
Maybe I mistyped "Linux ports"; What I ment by Linux ports is that I dont want to run a alternative software. I understand the confusion and that was problably my fault.

When I started out with Linux, I actually did a source installation. This was WAY back in the day so Im not sure if it has changed but I do remember that setting everything up took a while (a hour or two) plus the time of complilation. Im not sure I want to go that route.

BTW, from this point forward, Im going to basically ignore anything that uses "$" unless it is in the context of a terminal or something. I refuse to talk to immature childern as you only lower yourself to their level.

I have no idea why everyone is so against using WINE/Windows programs in Linux. A lot of Linux's mentality is about choice. It is MY choice to use Windows programs in Linux. If you don't want to help me, thats fine.

There is no debate -- it's called GNU/Linux: you should properly acknowledge the efforts of Stallman & co.

"Linux" refers to the kernel, "GNU/Linux" refers to the operating system.

Using WINE is touch-and-go at best, that's why using native programs is preferred.

If you really "did a source installation" then you already know how GNU/Linux works.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
I'm done with this thread.