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Old 04-02-2009, 04:18 AM   #1
krautwaschl
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Is there still hope for my reconciliation with Ubuntu?


I might have lost all power of seduction since Ubuntu behaving like a bashful virgin appears to have decided to resist and refuse me her charms.

More than a year ago, I became interested in Linux when unexpectedly a free CD "Ubuntu" arrived. I installed that Ubuntu 7... and started to look for help on how to set up an Internet connection which I had been enjoying for years via my Livebox and Windows XP. From there on, the tragedy evolved: I searched the various discussion boards for help, but there I only found two kinds of Internet users: those who were lost like me and the others who used a language which might have been meaningful for initiates but which would for the poor helpseekers like me most likely remain incomprehensible for ever!

I fought for one week, tried everything of which I assumed that it had been proposed and after many hours in front of my screen on which nothing at all moved any more, I decided to discharge my computer of all the program burden and let it undergo a complete restore which gave me a peaceful year of Windows until the day when the title "Bye, bye Windows" encouraged me to have another encounter with Linux, expecting (erroneously as I know now!) that one year should have led to an increase in the userfriendliness of that system.

How wrong! Since one week I have again been fighting to gain access to the network which cannot be found by Ubuntu 8.10. Certainly, I tried to apply all the recommendations for loading Windows-drivers via Ndiswrapper, but nothing works, except that my PC frequently blocks and I have to use the big red button!

What I am looking for: an installation CD which based on an interaction can install Linux(Ubuntu?) without expecting the interactor (me!) to be a professional programmer.

Or is there another way to arrive at a co-existence of several system, all enjoying access to the network, for someone who tends to believe to have understood why Windows still exists while Linux suffers an outsider role on computers of true bred or fake geniuses of informatics.

A more and more disillusioned and disappointed Krautwaschl

(by mistake, I wrote this complaint in German and had to translate it, which removed, probably, some of the spice contained in the original!)
 
Old 04-02-2009, 05:10 AM   #2
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troll
 
Old 04-02-2009, 06:01 AM   #3
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Quote:
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troll
what exactly makes you say that the poster is a troll?

It should have been posted in the Help section / Newbie section though, other than that, there's no reason to believe he's a troll.

Someone move this to appropriate forum, and someone there might be able
to help.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 06:19 AM   #4
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You should post this is the hardware forum if you want help with your wireless device. My guess is that there is now a native linux driver for your device and you don't need to use ndiswrapper. You haven't provided any details which could allow someone to help. Only a purposeless rant. Imagine running the Windows XP network configuration and you need to insert a floppy disk, when your computer doesn't have one. I had this happen when I bought an HP laptop that didn't have a floppy. An irony is that to make things easier usually involves making things more complicated behind the scenes and if it doesn't work as expected you can be worse off.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 07:34 AM   #5
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Please let us know what hardware you have so that we can help you find your answers. Without specific information we are like Doctors with blindfolds on.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 07:39 AM   #6
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If you want help from LQ, please state your problems in plain English (even if it's translated from something else), and not in a style more suited to a creative writing course. Thank you.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 08:56 AM   #7
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Technical Details

Dear Skinner and others,

here are some details (and since I use German as the working language, my translation might not be always correct):

Installed on my PC Packard Bell Immedia 9320 is Windows XP, Family Edition, Service Pack 3, Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHZ, 1,00 GO RAM, four Partitions(NTFS) thereof two with 74 and respectively 28 GO dedicated to Linux
Network cards :802.11 USB Wireless LAN Adapter, network card 1394
using a wireless connection via Livebox Version 6.7.1 of Wanadoo Inventel.
adapter: 802.11 USB WIRELESS LAN ADAPTER (Securité WPA)
I found Ndiswrapper in the package administration where it was listed under installed. I tried to reload, was requested to load a CD. The only one I had was UBUNTU 8.10 and it was not accepted, though I received the message "loaded". When I called the Windows WLAN drivers, the field "currently installed drivers" remained empty.
The adapter shows: Thomson WLG-1500A
CE 0470 SIN 0602B1D13601
and Thomson MAC 00032F47AB09

Does this make any sense?
 
Old 04-02-2009, 09:01 AM   #8
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Just in order to be polite

Troll? Dear PG99, besides the classical meaning, there must be special use of this word for an initiate like you which I could not catch. Thank you, dear rsciw, for your moral support and recommendation.
"Purposeless rant" however, as accused by jschiwal, is standard language and represents as such sufficient insult for requiring settlement in a duel!
But, did you not read the reference "have fun!" under the heading for this section or did you interpret it as an invitation to attack someone who is looking for help?

This is the publicity sent by "SightSeeing" which triggered off my renewed interest in Linux

„Bye, bye Windows“ sagt wikipedia.de + das
beste neue Betriebssystem der Welt für Sie zum Gratis-Download –
Aktion bis zum 24.03.09: Ihr persönlicher "LIVE"-Test: Mit nur 8 Windows-Klicks
Installieren Sie Ihr neues Ubuntu jetzt ganz einfach aus Ihrem Windows heraus!


And thinking that I fell for it!
 
Old 04-02-2009, 09:31 AM   #9
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The original post was excessively wordy, but I'm not sure it warranted some of the reactions.

But never mind that--let's get back to basics.....krautwaschl; Please post a short summary of what specific help you need.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 09:55 AM   #10
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Quote:
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"Purposeless rant" however, as accused by jschiwal, is standard language and represents as such sufficient insult for requiring settlement in a duel!
Chose your weapon! LOL

Mandriva One boots off the CD and if everything works as expected will install itself to the hard drive.

http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/mandriva-linux-one

But I'm boycotting all distros made in/by Global Fascist Police State member nations, so may be slightly biased.

EDIT: And I only buy foreign cars, too. The Nazis will have to pass a new law forcing me to buy a GM.

Last edited by Crito; 04-02-2009 at 09:57 AM.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 10:23 AM   #11
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Ok, Are you familiar with partitioning a hard drive from a live CD? If so, then

1) boot up with a live cd and change your partitions to: 1 NTFS(74GB), 2 NTFS(74GB), 3 Extended(remaining disk space), 5 logical(2MB), 6 logical(remainder of free space).

Do NOT change the size of your windows partition. Only work with whats empty or extra.

2) Note that when you install Ubuntu you will need to manually set up the partitions. After changing your partitions, continue with the installation of Ubuntu.

3) When it askes you which partition to use, pick hda5 as swap and hda6 as /

4) Grub (the boot loader) should automatically set up to dual boot with windows.

5) if all went well, remove the live CD and reboot.

Last edited by SkinnerC; 04-02-2009 at 10:26 AM.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 11:04 AM   #12
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Actually, I see the problem with your USB wlan - if you google around a bit, you'll find that wlan adaptors via USB are a relatively specific case of wlan under Linux and (usally) not just a simple issue of inserting the life CD.

You'll have to do some research for your specific adaptor.

First, read the many, many threads already existing to this problem, because many sub notebooks/netbooks seems to have USB wlan nowadays.

See the networking and its wireless sub-forum and the laptop forum.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 11:54 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by krautwaschl View Post
„Bye, bye Windows“ sagt wikipedia.de + das
beste neue Betriebssystem der Welt für Sie zum Gratis-Download –
Aktion bis zum 24.03.09: Ihr persönlicher "LIVE"-Test: Mit nur 8 Windows-Klicks
Installieren Sie Ihr neues Ubuntu jetzt ganz einfach aus Ihrem Windows heraus!


And thinking that I fell for it!
For none Germans, above translates as:

"Bye bye" says wikipedia.de + the best new operating system of the world for you as free download action until the 24th March 2009: Your personal "LIVE"-Test: With only 8 WIndows clicks you can install your new Ubuntu easily in Windows.
 
Old 04-02-2009, 12:39 PM   #14
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I suspect that the problem the OP is having is that the newer kernels used by 8.10 will automatically load drivers for detected WiFi devices and, when ndiswrapper is also loaded, there a two different drivers attempting to "control" the same device. Without the use of shared memory (so one driver can "know" what the other driver has done) neither driver will function properly.

So, my first suggestion would be to do a sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper, reboot, and see if the LAN is available.

If it is, you're done. If not, post details of the chip set used by your device. From what I found, it might be using a sis163u chip set, so the SIS Linux driver for the sis160 WLAN might work.
 
Old 06-19-2009, 08:58 AM   #15
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Hopeless

Stubborn and stupid, these are the terms which might characterize me since I just refuse to give up the idea of working under Linux.

Today, I walked in the huge FNAC store which is one of the leading PC outlets of France and I searched the micro-informatics section:
not a single PC shown had Linux installed.

I looked at the Software section under Operating systems and there I found hidden amongst piles of Windows material one single copy of the Mandriva Powerpack, nothing else ressembling Linux.

The salesman I contacted and asked whether the Mandriva package (cost about € 75) would permit an installation with automatic identification of the network connexion, started to read what was said on the package and admitted that he had no idea!
All I want is an installation CD which based on an interaction can install Linux (dual boot with Windows) and recognize my wireless connexion – and not ask me to provide information on chip set (?) and the like.

I had Ubuntu installed, removed it, installed Fedora, removed it, installed Mandriva, removed it, re-installed Ubuntu…. and each time everything went fine except there was/is no network connexion and all attempts via ndiswrapper and after removal of ndiswrapper failed.

I have now Driver Detective, Driver Cure, Driver Magic, Driver Max, Driver Genius on my PC to ensure all possible drivers’ existence in their latest versions – but?
 
  


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