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Old 01-10-2009, 10:27 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Is Linux for me? Be honest.


I just bought an Acer Aspire One and being as keen as the next person to see Bill's empire dwindle I went for the Linux os. That was about 5 hours of pain and frustration ago and I think I made a serious mistake. I am by no means a novice to computing. I had a home pc in 1991 and became reasonably proficient in DR-DOS. However, I no longer want to spend countless hours figuring out how to do things. I have so far failed completely to gain access to an NAS drive and to install either an Epson RX520 or an HP laserjet 1200. I have spent 3 hours looking at support forums and been horrified at the complexity of knowledge required to make things work in Linux. I was under the, seriously mistaken, impression that Linux was in a position to begin to make inroads into Windows usage. This clearly is not the case. It may be OK for a netbook if all you want to do is take it out of the box and play with the already installed apps. But if you want to use it as you have been used to using a Windows PC, forget it. I will be interested to hear any comments on this point of view. It is not my intention at all to knock those who are enthusiastically developing the use of Linux. On the contrary, I hope many thousands more keen users continue to pioneer its use and help each other in forums such as this. I look forward to the day when Linux will be on a large proportion of the world's PCs and offering serious competition to Microsoft. I feel that day is a while away yet. In the meantime I think I have to take this machine back, pay my extra pennies to Bill, and get the Windows version. What do you think?
 
Old 01-10-2009, 10:30 AM   #2
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It is your choice
If you are willing to learn, use linux.
If you only want to click, stay with windows.
 
Old 01-10-2009, 10:50 AM   #3
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what distro are you using?
Some are more geared towards desktop use and somewhat easier, while some aren't recommended for people new to Linux.
 
Old 01-10-2009, 11:18 AM   #4
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I just bought an Acer Aspire One and being as keen as the next person to see Bill's empire dwindle I went for the Linux os. That was about 5 hours of pain and frustration ago and I think I made a serious mistake. I am by no means a novice to computing. I had a home pc in 1991 and became reasonably proficient in DR-DOS.
Well, Linux has nothing in common with these two OSes. It doesn't matter if you used them for a century. In the desktop thingie, Linux is walking at a fast pace, but you need to be prepared to learn if you want to use linux. However, it shouldn't be too difficult, because even people with no previous experience can handle a desktop distro, provided that it's been previously setup correctly (by either a magical installer or a more knowledgeable person).

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However, I no longer want to spend countless hours figuring out how to do things. I have so far failed completely to gain access to an NAS drive and to install either an Epson RX520 or an HP laserjet 1200.
Neither of these should be that difficult, provided that the hardware is supported for linux (which I don't know if that's the case). If linux came preinstalled that should be the case.

I can't tell you what to do with your money, and I am by no means a Windows hater (I just dislike it because it never worked ok for me). If you feel that's what you need, and don't want to bother learning something else, then go for it.

Unfortunately, that's the way the human mind works. It's usually easier to learn linux for a newcomer than for a long-time windows user. And that's because when you know something for about 20 years you expect everything else to work the same way. But, asking linux to work like windows does is just as absurd as asking windows to work like linux does. You would first need to forget all you know, because all the assumptions that you make about how things must work are nothing but obstables in your way.

At user level, under linux you will find both easy and complicated software. Just like in windows or any other OS. But the OS itself is not specially complicated to handle, it's just different.
 
Old 01-10-2009, 11:42 AM   #5
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Are you using the version of Linux which shipped on the machine? If so, then that's probably a lot of your problem.
Netbooks sold with Windows XP on come with, well, Windows XP. Same as what you'd get on a regular desktop machine really. Netbooks sold with Linux on tend to be sold with a highly customised version of Linux that is designed to make the machine operate more like an appliance. This is the case with The Acer Aspire one. The installed version of Linux has been designed solely for you to click on the things provided and use them. Doing stuff which the machine is not set up for you to do is hard because the OS has been deliberately set up in a restrictive manner. A lot of stuff you need to do what you want to do will probably not be installed and be difficult to install. It is nothing at all like the experience you get from downloading a Linux distro such as openSUSE or Ubuntu and installing that. For example I'm using openSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.1.3. right now, just went to the Printer section of YaST and it started looking for connected printers to set up. (It didn't find any but that's because I don't have a printer.) A quick search of what's on the harddisk shows there's a driver for a HP LaserJet 1200. Couldn't find one for the Epson thing you mention but there's a bunch of Epson drivers so one of them may work. The NAS, well, depends on the protocol it's using but shouldn't be a problem to connect to. There's a icon in the Dolphin file manager with an option to scan the local network for Samba Shares, or connect to a Windows Network Drive.

If you as using the version of Linux which shipped with the machine then you may find you get on better if you remove it and install a 'proper' version of Linux such as openSUSE or Ubuntu. The tricky part there is that your machine doesn't have an optical drive so if you don't have a USB CD drive you can attach you will have to make a bootable USB drive from an installation CD and use that. There are various tools which make this easy, Google will find them.
 
Old 01-10-2009, 01:42 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by ColinB17 View Post
I had a home pc in 1991 and became reasonably proficient in DR-DOS.
This should put you way ahead of the average new user to Linux.

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However, I no longer want to spend countless hours figuring out how to do things.
And this is probably what you need to focus on. If you really just have too much going on in your life to have any interest in climbing the learning curve, then perhaps you should put Linux off for awhile, yet. OTOH, if you simply want to get the things in your list going, then you can ask about them in the order of priority, and I'm sure you will get answers that will get you up and running pretty quickly.

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I was under the, seriously mistaken, impression that Linux was in a position to begin to make inroads into Windows usage. This clearly is not the case. It may be OK for a netbook if all you want to do is take it out of the box and play with the already installed apps. But if you want to use it as you have been used to using a Windows PC, forget it.
Linux is what it is: Linux. It's not a "Better Windows". That's simply never going to happen. Some people are so married to the Windows mindset that they will simply never make good Linux users. Others, like myself, are never comfortable in Windows, and instantly take to one of the flavors of Linux. It's OK to be in either camp, just like it's OK to prefer a Ducati over a Honda. Some of us (myself included) use both; though it's usually the case with dual users that the Windows usage fades away to only things that are difficult or impossible (at this point) to do on Linux.

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In the meantime I think I have to take this machine back, pay my extra pennies to Bill, and get the Windows version. What do you think?
If this is true for you, then by all means do it. Maybe at some time in the future you will give Linux a try again. There is the obvious alternative of getting a machine with Windows installed and then experimenting with dual-booting. If you want to do it that way, make absolutely sure you get the Windows CDs with your new machine so you can recover from the inevitable mistakes at the beginning of the learning curve.
 
Old 01-10-2009, 01:53 PM   #7
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I have that Aspire one , and the pre-installed linux is just ... crap! Try installing a debian distribution ~Wouldnt it be perfect if I added a link too?~ P.S. "Linpus Lite ... what the **** is that" That was a cut scene , sorry
 
Old 01-10-2009, 02:10 PM   #8
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what distro are you using?
Some are more geared towards desktop use and somewhat easier, while some aren't recommended for people new to Linux.
I too would like to know.

To the OP ... The question is not whether Linux is for you, but whether Window$ is for you. Because only if Window$ is not for you, then will you have enough motivation to find a Linux distro that you like. Know that GNU/Linux does not equal any one of the hundreds of distributions or variants of it available. (there are more than hundreds, but some are of low popularity)

Check here for a list:
http://distrowatch.com/

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Old 01-10-2009, 03:04 PM   #9
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I feel your pain, I think we have all been there.. on any OS, but what youre asking for is a bit unreasonable. You want it to behave like windows without being windows. This would be like me going to Italy then complaining that I cant communicate with anyone because they dont speak English when the real problem is I dont speak Italian.

Back in 1990, when you were first learning DOS, did things just work or did it take you a while to learn?

Simply, if you bought this netbook needing it to work right out of the box, then yes... you made a mistake. But if you want to learn, grow and expand your knowledge, then you came to the right place.... its just going to take time and a lot of reading. So take a few deep breaths, start a new thread explaining your problem (what youve tried, errors etc) and im sure you will start getting some answers within minutes.

hope to see you around,
TheGNUbue

P.S. if you became accustom to windows explorer, I would recommend you install a program called XFE, you will feel right at home.

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Old 01-10-2009, 06:37 PM   #10
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It's all explained here.

The change to linux has been described before.

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
 
Old 01-10-2009, 06:50 PM   #11
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Back to the problem.

See http://openprinting.org/show_printer...-LaserJet_1200

and

http://openprinting.org/show_printer...us_Photo_RX520
 
Old 01-11-2009, 01:39 AM   #12
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Hi CollinB17. I am new to Linux and have been battling MS with their new activation crap. I have tried about 10 different Linux distroos and now bumped in to Fedora. As an Windows user I found this Fedora 10 a breeze. It works similar to OOBE Windows but you still have to learn all the different terminologies which I find hard. I even work my old Windows accounting software on Linux via Wine. I am positive about the Linux experience now as Windows XP is really no longer supported by MS. Vista is crap and Windows 7 is going the same way. Persevere on Linux otherwise you are stuck for live with the Micro$oft demands for the future. To be honest till now nothing works as easy as M$ but that will change very rapid in the next few years and maybe months to come. But try Fedora 10. I got my PC working on everything without any problems. Network, printers and even the scanner worked all be it not to my satisfaction but it all worked out of the box.
 
Old 01-11-2009, 06:48 AM   #13
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Thanks to everyone for your comments/advice. I have decided to give it a go and stick with linux. I'm off now to search the dedicated printing sites/forums and if that doesn't get me there I'll start a new thread here and ask more specific help. Thanks.
 
Old 01-11-2009, 07:55 AM   #14
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I am glad that you took the way of patience. I am sure that the users around this forum will try to help you with any specific issue you have.

I also wanted to make a remark about the hardware compatibility issue. The thing is coming to a point where Windows users are now starting to face the same exact problem. Those who don't want Vista and decide to stick to Windows XP are having a hard time to get their brand new hardware working with Windows XP, to the point that right now, for certain hardware, I experience far less problems getting most new pieces to run on Linux than in Windows XP. Specially when it comes to laptops. So, WinXP users will be needing to put some care and attention on the hardware they buy, just like we always did. A little taste of their own medicine.
 
Old 01-11-2009, 08:24 AM   #15
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Thanks to everyone for your comments/advice. I have decided to give it a go and stick with linux. I'm off now to search the dedicated printing sites/forums and if that doesn't get me there I'll start a new thread here and ask more specific help. Thanks.
Which Aspire One are you using? I've got an AOA150-1049. After dealing w/ an Asus eee PC, I decided the "SSD" were not quite good enough yet, sold it, and bought an Aspire one. My Aspire came w/ XP, which I promptly nuked and installed Ubuntu 8.10. I admit though, just in case, I left the recovery partition untouched. Everything but wireless worked out of the box. Wireless took about 2min to get working (easiest if you can hook up to an ethernet connection for a minute to do it, but it can be done if you can't)

I'm quite happy w/ Ubuntu on the AAO. It runs much better than any distro did on the eee, even the original Xandros. SSD's are a great idea, and I think eventually, it will be the norm, but I just don't think they are quite there yet. I'm quite happy w/ the hard drive performance in my AAO.

As for Applications, you need to tell us exactly what you're missing before you can be helped there, but I agree with everyone else, Dump Linpus.

IGF

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