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Old 12-20-2010, 05:05 PM   #16
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godoten,

At the beginning man pages seem complicated. The only way to overcome that difficulty is... to read man pages.

Your Midnight Commander should offer some skins. Usually they are stored in /usr/share/mc/skins directory. My Midnight Commander offers six skins: darkfar.ini, default.ini, double-lines.ini, featured.ini, gotar.ini and nicedark.ini. Apart of default the best are in my opinion gotar and nicedark. So try the command mc -S gotar or mc -S nicedark. You could of course write your own skin using as a template some of the above.
 
Old 12-20-2010, 05:25 PM   #17
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A live cd may have an installer, I don't disagree.

The booted system from a live cd could be copied or other ways to install it from it's "live state" to a drive. That is possible. The installer on a live cd is there to properly install the distro. You don't have to use it. Remember most live cd's fool ram and the read only disk to make a transparent to the user file system.

There are some live cd's that are a bit tricky to install from. Their intent is to only run live. Gentoo and Knoppix are both difficult but not impossible to convert to a true install. If you read their own creators words you will see that they only intend it to run live. It is not my words but quoted from them.


The Live cd was not created to be copied as such. It was meant to be run live no matter how you state it. A type of installer would make a much different OS than one has on the disk.

Puppy linux has a few ways to install to a hard drive. Look at the old knoppix posts on installing it and how puppy works and see gentoo forums for ways around them.
 
Old 12-21-2010, 02:19 AM   #18
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There are some live cd's that are a bit tricky to install from. Their intent is to only run live. Gentoo and Knoppix are both difficult but not impossible to convert to a true install. If you read their own creators words you will see that they only intend it to run live. It is not my words but quoted from them.
Hi Jefro,

Have you had a go at the latest two versions of Knoppix? They came bundled with Linux Pro Magazine and both of them (6.3 and 6.4) have various install options that work out of the box to install onto harddisk or USB stick. Nothing tricky about it, even a 10 year old can do it. Cannot speak for the other distros mentioned though.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:14 PM   #19
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Wink So many choices over wellming my slow head.

Dear jefro and ericTRA,

Thanks you all are so kind. I've tried Knoppix-DVD-6.2 with "toram" option.
It's installation function on the pop-up menu was so scarely to go on to press
"OK" button. I could not do. Anyway it had "akoxxxi" that I avoid like swine
flu or carbone tax scheme now days. The "Puppy linux" sound sweet. I may
try to have a look at it. I want to try the Arch as well. So many choices over
wellming my slow head. Mean while I am working on the installed LFSlivecd.

Whah! Thanks w1k0,

I can have so much fun with mc now! I may even come up with my own skin
since you mentioned it.

I am on the LFSlivecr-on-HD started just now.(big )

When the language & keymap setting box came up, I hit "Ent" key
without hi-lighting "OK" button. From the error message I find the
file seems something to do with the pop-up-box as:
"/etc/rc.d/rcsysinit.d/S69langconf"->/etc/rc.d/init.d/langconf.
At the beginning of the file says:
########################################################################
# Begin $rc_base/init.d/langconf
# Description : Language and Keymap Configuration Script for the Live CD
# Authors : Alexander E. Patrakov
# Version : 00.00
# Notes
########################################################################
SELECTED=
DATABASE=/etc/langconf/lang.dat
FONTDB=/etc/langconf/font.dat
ERRDB=/etc/langconf/font-errors.dat
....
....
....script follows.

I used the method w1k0 taught me to copy above bit out from
the "langconf". Though the following script are hardly intelligible
to me but from the "lang.dat" I can see that this file seems to
be responsible for the "pop-up-box".

I am very grad I have done this "installing LiveCR on to HD".
I have installed "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run" to get
my LCD monitor working on full res.1920x1080. I have installed
"ImageMagick.tar.gz" to get MC's picture viewing working. I am
writing this with "mousepad". I can do with this for a while. I could
find out how to get spell check working on this "mousepad"?
For now, I've found the method W-1-KO taught me works to copy
a bit even from terminal screen to mousepad. It's grate!

I have copied whole of /opt/kde3, /opt/gnome, Qt3 and python from
SuSE-10.2 but I couldn't get "gedit nor kate" working at the moment.
I may have to find stand alone editor with spell check. Or I may try
some spell check program with mousepad?

I have been demanding your attention too long already? I say good
bye for now.Thank you again!

"Long Live!", all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten
 
Old 12-21-2010, 06:13 PM   #20
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Well, there you go, I ain't even a 10 year old. That's OK, kids don't feel insulted.
 
Old 12-21-2010, 06:21 PM   #21
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Here's how I install any livecd without a installer or where installer is suspect
http://multidistro.com/manual-install

I usually use it for slackware or arch livecd's but should work with almost any
 
Old 12-21-2010, 09:29 PM   #22
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Lightbulb Evolution on the planet Earth generation?

Dear Friends,

I have tried out KnoppixCD-6.2 and found it very good. The wobbly terminal
made giggle. It had install option on Adriano for blind person. But it was again
impossible to understand what is going to to happen if I chose "Automatic
pertition"! When I chosen "gpart" option it did not have any thing I could decide
such as on which partition to install nor which partition to be swap. This is
extraordinary! They seem to have no idea what is needed to be informed on
the part of users? Very kind to blind persons but to ordinary dip sticks so much
of "data on the disk may be lost!" kind of warnings.

Dose anyone know what is going to happen if you let go of the "Automatic
partition" option? [ericTRA], you said "baby can install knoppix-6.3" did they
make it so much better of install program? If that is the case, would you
please tell me from where I can download it? "CD one!", because I don't
want akoxxxx carbone tax fever of DVD!

I really don't know why they did do it to waste so much of CPU power. In the
latest Slackware also SuSE-11.3 it wasn't even working at fresh installation,
did you know that? I can hardly believe what they did. Anyway it is something
to blast about to disperse the frustrations caused by NWO 80%(this means 8
out of 10 to be murdered?) population reduction scheme? It must be the same
people put money to disable us to have the fun of linux possibly?

Dear Linus72, I'm going to try this out with the Knoppix-6.2-CD. Thank you! If
it goes like this, within a week I also become an ex'pert on "how to install liveCD".

Dear Jefro, Which you chose "I may not have to die" or "I am dying"? These are
both same probability 50/50. Then you should obviously believe the one positive
possibility, wouldn't you? Everyone, you and your friends and family members?
No one should believe in dying? Evolution on the planet Earth generation?

"Long Live!", all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten

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Old 12-22-2010, 03:49 AM   #23
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Hi,

With regards to the Knoppix versions 6.3 and 6.4, for the moment they are only available as DVD with Linux Magazine and not for public download. According to the Knoppix website the newer releases will be made available on public mirrors this or next week in several formats like minimal CD, DVD. And yes there are several important changes on those latest versions.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 12-22-2010, 04:51 AM   #24
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Quote:
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For now, Iíve found the method W-1-KO taught me works to copy
a bit even from terminal screen to mousepad. Itís grate!
Two tips:

● When you copy the text from console or xterm to the other application Ė except for Midnight Commander Ė or vice versa you donít have to use Shift switch. It makes things simpler.

● You can also copy text snippets exceeding console screen or xterm window. In order to achieve it press Shift key and use PgUp key to go to the beginning of the text. Then mark a bit of the text with left mouse button to point the beginning of the text. Next go to the end of text pressing Shift key and using PgDn key. Finally point the ending of the text using right mouse button. At that moment you can paste the selected text in the other application using middle mouse button.
 
Old 12-22-2010, 09:37 AM   #25
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Lightbulb "The Nature Perfection..."

Dear EricTRA, Thank you for the info!

Dear w1k0, Thanks again for the tips!

But how come my mc doesn't have the skin ability? Am I talking of some
wrong kind of "mc"? The man page for mc look like a big holly book! I never
could remember more than a few short cuts or something I usually find handy
to know. I've got attention span of a mackerel. I just have to do with a few
tricks plus the "how to copy in and out" that you taught me for the time
being.A novice like me is quite happy with it anyway. ( )

Dear Linus72,

Have you tried it on Knoppix? They seem to have made it impossible in the
name of some kind of security? Such complication with linked dirs I can't
figure out where I am. But I am trying at the moment. Some times I've got
even "can't execute binary files" when I did `cp` or `mc`, how come? ( )

What I never come to term is that thing of "you have no permission to do
this or that",..talking about things on my own single person's computer! If you
are running the computer net works of school or university you have to have
those cares but how does any home computer would need such thing? Not
many have to learn such things to become adomin of service provider's ever?
Unless you have some dirty secret in your computer like big money making
business with double accounts? Ah,hah! That's it, isn't it? The security is at
most of importance when they have to sell it to big companies for $1,000 a
piece, while giving it to us for free? Then I must not be so critical about it...!
...? I hope some of those business men so naive to think anything on their
computers can remain secret. ( )

I don't know about others but I do avoid Ubuntu because it force me to do
`sudo` thing for me to do anything. I like to run my computer as a root user
all the time and do whatever I may do to make what ever the mess I may
make. If it become disfunctional I just have to reinstall the system onto the
partition kept only for OS. I found computer the best toy ever for me.

"There is only One thing to everything belong
There is only One thing you could trust
There is only One thing give us to Be
The Nature Perfection,
The Nature Perfection,
The Nature Perfection..."
<---(This is a part of godo's song.)

May be it is completely out of place, but it is important thing to think about?

"Long Live!", all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten ( )
 
Old 12-22-2010, 09:40 AM   #26
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It protects you or viruses from messing up your system.
 
Old 12-22-2010, 10:06 AM   #27
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actually I dont use Knoppix as it seems behind others.
and no I haven't tried it with Knoppix
are you sure your doing it as root?
use a root terminal to do the manual-install
 
Old 12-22-2010, 12:01 PM   #28
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But how come my mc doesnít have the skin ability? Am I talking of some
wrong kind of "mc"? The man page for mc look like a big holly book! I never
could remember more than a few short cuts or something I usually find handy
to know.
You mean there is no /usr/share/mc/skins directory or it exists but is empty or it includes some skins but switch -S doesnít work?

I also use only a handful of possibilities of Midnight Commander. The same rule concerns the other applications. But sometimes I need to do something new and in such cases I look at manual pages.
 
Old 12-22-2010, 03:15 PM   #29
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Dear w1k0, That's right, I don't have it. Would you tell me where you got
you mc from? I never realized it before, on Mandrake, Mandriva, RedHat, Fedora,
Slackware, old Debian nor SuSE. It's very strange? ( )

Dear MTK358, I know that you say the same as axxxxdi people say too?
But it missing the point while the way poor novices learn things are when things
don't work or go wrong by trying to find out how and why it doesn't and fix
it? I am talking of self teaching ones like myself having no expert teachers next
to me to show us how and why. I like to be able to make terrible mess of my
computer. I always somehow managed to fix it so far. Only case I could not do
anything about was the controller circuit(a micro-chip) of a hard disk drive broke
down. I had one tune of mine I liked lost on it. But even this, about ten yeas later
I found the exactly the same device as second hand on eBay with chuck away
price, then I ripped the controller board of it and fixed on my old broken drive and
recovered.the tune. I titled the tune "longlost".( )The one tune I have done with
only free software instruments and sequencer!

Dear Linus72, I am almost there. I am playing with the USB install of the
Knoppix-6.2-CD at the moment. It very funny the "compiz". I'm sure children
would love the 3D-animated desktop.( )

One may think a computer is a hardware but, you know, electricity or magneticity
is intelligent powers so that it works as it does. It is the same miracle thing as our
body works. How any transducer can read off the invisible dots and dashes like
CD, DVD or HD drives does? That is why and how many mysterious things could
happen with computer and it's net work systems? They blame it on "gremlins"?

Every bits of this world of existence is made and kept by the intelligent force of
the Nature with it's awareness.


"Long Live!", all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten
 
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Dear MTK358, I know that you say the same as axxxxdi people say too?
But it missing the point while the way poor novices learn things are when things
don't work or go wrong by trying to find out how and why it doesn't and fix
it? I am talking of self teaching ones like myself having no expert teachers next
to me to show us how and why.
You should read a basic tutorial before using Linux.

And what are "axxxxdi people"?
 
  


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