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Old 04-08-2010, 05:37 PM   #16
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I use VirtualBox (version 3.1.6 r59338). Installed it originally to run an XP program to remove U3 crap from all of my SanDisk Cruzer flash drives. Since I have been running 4 different Linux distros and XP with it for various experiments and scenarios, and it has run flawlessly for me (knock on wood).
 
Old 04-08-2010, 10:58 PM   #17
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One doubt which i still have - if i run a guest os in Virtual Box / VMware on a windows comp and if the host comp / os is infected with key-loggers / trojan / spywares then can it collect info from the guest os ? I am just concerned abt the security issues.
 
Old 04-08-2010, 11:02 PM   #18
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It wouldn't be any less secure than the system you're running it on, would it?
 
Old 04-09-2010, 02:20 AM   #19
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you mean the guest os or the host os ?
can the host track the activities in the guest os ?
Say if the host is infected in that case can the activities in guest os be safe ?
 
Old 04-09-2010, 04:40 AM   #20
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Yes, the host can track absolutely anything in the guest OS. Absolutely. Anything. The guest's activities are entirely controlled by the host.
 
Old 04-09-2010, 06:08 AM   #21
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So in that case this setup is not what i am looking for. Was thinking of using vmware (with linux) just to be secured in case the host os is infected. So i return back to my original question about network recognition / internet access from live cds / any installed linux.
Any suggestion / help ?
 
Old 04-09-2010, 06:14 AM   #22
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You need to find out how your company 'does things'. Do they use DHCP? Do certain things have to be set manually? Do you need to set an explicit proxy server? Heck, are they even using TCP/IPv4?
 
Old 04-09-2010, 08:33 AM   #23
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Cantab - I am too new to all this ! Was just thinking if using linux (as live cd) cud be a lil safer than using their computer for accessing net. I dont even know how to find out all those details. I cant even ask them, (as i mentioned earlier) that most of the company staff are non technical and they cant speak in English

Is there an easier way to figure out those things. It seems DHCP does not works there. Because, when i tried the network whizard of puppy and used DHCP, it said it was done but i could not access net. Where as i have used the same way earlier on other networks and it worked very well.
 
Old 04-09-2010, 08:40 AM   #24
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Firstly we need to clarify what you want to do. Are you trying to 'secure' your computer and internet usage, or do you merely want to be able to use a system in your choice of language? Computer security is a complex business, and you can never totally secure web traffic to standard websites; you also have to worry about Chinese law.

The behaviour given by Puppy seems to indicate that DHCP does work. To confirm, open a Linux command line and type ifconfig -a. One of the interfaces should have an ip address.

My guess is the company requires you to use a proxy server. If you know your way around Internet Explorer (even in Chinese), you may be able to discover what the proxy server's details are from the installed Windows.
 
Old 04-09-2010, 12:37 PM   #25
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My point was that if you are connected to their network (and using it for file transfer, logging in, etc.) you will only be as secure as their network (not more, or less, secure). Honestly, I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be, but appreciate your concern.
 
Old 04-09-2010, 04:56 PM   #26
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The case is very simple - as I have been saying from the beginning !

(1) I am allowed to use internet on ANY computer in the office.

(2) I am afraid that there might be malwares / spywares / keyloggers etc installed / infected in some of them because either there is very 'lil security' there and the users seem to be too unaware of all this or some of the users are some young guys who might have been naughty enough to install all those stuff in it. Because in many of the computers i see so many strange pop-ups and strange things installed in it - does not looks like a 'gentleman's computer

(3) Face a lot of trouble using a Xp computer in Chinese Language because my knowledge of Chinese is limited to a lil bit spoken stuff only.

(4) So wished to use a Live CD Linux (tried Puppy) so that I will have a 'clean' OS in English.

(5) But having trouble accessing internet through Puppy - and dont know why

(6) Cannot ask any of my colleagues / seniors for help as they are all non - technical ppl and do not know English

(7) If they knew they would have all been very eager to help me - there is no restriction as such for me there - no security / chinese law issues it is as good as 'my own place' just that i cant ask any one for help, so i have come here to ask for advise in setting up the internet in Puppy / any other Live CD that ppl here think might be suitable in my case.

You can also think in another way : I buy a new laptop and install Linux (any distro) in it and wish to use it in that office for accessing internet. I will be given every possible help to do that - every possible password etc but the problem is that I CANT MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT I WANT In China they have a chinese word for every possible thing on earth #. I can some how manage to ask them the password but more than that the configuration details of the network is impossible to ask them. Because I cant make them understand terms like 'gateway' 'ip' 'dhcp' etc for that they might have to call a technical person who might have setup their network and even he might have big trouble communicating with me and might not be knowing much abt Linux. So if i cud configure the rest of the things in Linux (may be by finding out the details from the Xp side) then may be i can find out the passwords (if at all we need one) from the office ppl.

Hope i have been able to make things clear !

# for example if i ask some one in China (in chinese) that I wish to go to China Eastern Airlines office. (just using the term 'China Eastern Airlines' in english in my Chinese sentence), they dont understand that - they have a different term for every thing ! So they may not understand terms like 'Router' 'Proxy' 'Gateway' 'ip' etc even if they know the solution to my problem. Contrary to the general belief in the western world, people in general are very helpful here but how can they help me if they cant understand what help i need
 
Old 04-09-2010, 05:27 PM   #27
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I feel your frustration in your posts. If you are concerned about this:
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(2) I am afraid that there might be malwares / spywares / keyloggers etc installed / infected in some of them because either there is very 'lil security' there and the users seem to be too unaware of all this or some of the users are some young guys who might have been naughty enough to install all those stuff in it. Because in many of the computers i see so many strange pop-ups and strange things installed in it - does not looks like a 'gentleman's computer
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...terms like 'gateway' 'ip' 'dhcp' etc...
Hang in there, people are trying to help.
Back on topic, for some reason puppy doesn't work out of the box. Without being able to know the infrastructure and host equipment, a way forward would be to try another distribution that will hopefully work out of the box? (ubuntu, mint, mepis, mandriva, or other suggestions...)
 
Old 04-09-2010, 10:45 PM   #28
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Thanx for the concern ! Well I personally prefer Puppy bcoz I can save my config where as in others i cant. And I have been able to use Puppy very easily till now on most of the Wired networks (even in China) but in this case it is not working. I have a feeling that DHCP is not enabled on this network and I need to manually configure things to access the net. So would like to know how I could do that. What are the basic parameters that might be needed. How I could get those info from Xp and Finally if there is any other Live Cd/usb which has a much better network recognition (including wireless network).
 
Old 04-10-2010, 10:14 AM   #29
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I have a live-cd (truely DVD) with 10 linux live-versions.
Only crunchbang 8.10.01 could access internet via BB.
The GUI there was the best of all.
It looks like I had to swim with firefox while connecting to the provider but it worked.
Also the program Claws Mail worked very well!
I tried to install it on a 4.5GB partition on a pen drive.
Only failsafe worked on my Lappy.

At the moment I would advice to u(n)mout everything and look inside the taskmanager before halting the computer. I had several X-crashes but at the moment I do not remember all where it occurred . The last was privatix 8.12.08 .
 
Old 04-10-2010, 02:36 PM   #30
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I would like to know how do you select which Distro to boot in that DVD ?
Well i have never had problem with Puppy in accessing internet on a wired network (except this present case) even ubuntu has worked well. How is Crunch bang and what is special abt that distro ?
 
  


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