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Old 04-23-2003, 02:29 AM   #16
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Thanks, fancypiper.

I've tried your suggestions but, unfortunately, can't make them work - probably due to my newbieness.

I find that my root email is in 'nsmail' and my user email in /home/<username>/nsmail [inserting my username]
I try to copy root to user by command:

'cp nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'

and get response: 'cp: omitting directory 'nsmail' [which I do not understand].

I try command: 'cp /root/nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'
and get response: cp: omitting directory '/root/nsmail' [which I also do not understand].

I try command: 'mv /home/<username>/nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail.old'.

Then try command: 'cp nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'
and get response: 'cp: omitting directory 'nsmail' [which I again do not understand].

I am tearing out what very little hair I have left. What am I doing wrong?

Just to recap my current situation:
When logged in as root, I can connect to the net using either kppp or by clicking the 'plug' icon. I can then surf and send and receive emails using Netscape.

When logged in as user, I can connect to the net using either kppp or by clicking the 'plug' icon. I can then surf using Netscape Navigator. However, when I try to open Netscape Messenger, I get the dreaded error message: 'Default Inbox does not exist...'

Any help you can give would be much appreciated.

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Old 04-23-2003, 04:45 AM   #17
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There are lots of flags for commands for different things. Apparently you didn't use the -R flag. From man cp
Code:
 -R, --recursive
              copy directories recursively
You could try
Code:
cp -R nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail
If it copies OK, then you have to change the owner and group from root to <user>.
Code:
chown -R <username>.<username> /home/<username>/nsmail
Would you happen to have midnight commander installed? I normally use it for managing files. What happens with this in an x terminal?
Code:
[phil@tinwhistle phil]$ su -
Password: 
[root@tinwhistle root]# mc
If it comes up, you have a full suite of file management/editor/ftp, etc.
 
Old 04-23-2003, 10:24 AM   #18
old codger
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Thanks, fancypiper.

I've tried your suggestions but, unfortunately, can't make them work - probably due to my newbieness.

I find that my root email is in 'nsmail' and my user email in /home/<username>/nsmail [inserting my username]
I try to copy root to user by command:

'cp nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'

and get response: 'cp: omitting directory 'nsmail' [which I do not understand].

I try command: 'cp /root/nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'
and get response: cp: omitting directory '/root/nsmail' [which I also do not understand].

I try command: 'mv /home/<username>/nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail.old'.

Then try command: 'cp nsmail /home/<username>/nsmail'
and get response: 'cp: omitting directory 'nsmail' [which I again do not understand].

I am tearing out what very little hair I have left. What am I doing wrong?

Just to recap my current situation:

When logged in as root, I can connect to the net using either kppp or by clicking the 'plug' icon. I can then surf and send and receive emails using Netscape.

When logged in as user, I can connect to the net using either kppp or by clicking the 'plug' icon. I can then surf using Netscape Navigator, altho it seems to be a bit insecure, in that it takes a long time to load and, once this morning, 'froze' on me. I had to switch off physically - Ctrl-Alt-Del had no effect (reminded me of Windows!) Then, when I try to open Netscape Messenger, I get a dreaded error message: 'Default Inbox does not exist. You cannot send or receive messages'.

Any help you can give would be much appreciated.

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old codger
 
Old 04-23-2003, 11:11 AM   #19
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That's a copy of a previous post. Did you see my reply to that one?
 
Old 04-24-2003, 03:25 PM   #20
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Thanks, fancypiper.

Yes, I'm sorry, I made a mess of that. I hadn't realized that there were two pages and so, when I saw that no reply had been logged against your post - at the foot of p 1 - assumed that it hadn't been sent, so sent it (again). [Put it down to my advanced age!!]

Anyway, unfortunately, I do not seem to be getting anywhere. I tried your suggestions, but they, unfortunately, do not seem to help. To my untutored eye, after copying, the contents of both 'root' and 'user' ns mail now seem to be identical.

Everything seems to be OK on 'root'. I can connect to internet, surf the net and send/receive email on both kppp and 'plug' (Kinternet) icon. The problem comes when I try kppp on 'user'. I get two types of result:
Yesterday I got:
KPPP
Logging on to network
Starting pppd
Error KPPP:
Timeout expired while waiting for PPP interface to come up.
Details:
Cannot open any of the logfiles:
/var/syslog/ppp
/var/log/syslog
/var/log/messages

When I try connect using 'plug (Kinternet) icon, appears to connect OK but, when I try open Netscape Communicatot, get dreaded error message: Default Inbox does not exist...' However, when I 'OK' this and surf the net, it works OK.

Also, both yesterday and today, after connecting using kppp, when I try to open Netscape, I get seemingly perpetual activity from my hard drive indicator light, plus a 'semi-frozen' display which, although I can move the cursor around in fits and starts, does no respond to anything - not even Ctrl+Alt+Del. So I have to shut down by switching off the power.

What do you think?

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old codger
 
Old 04-24-2003, 03:36 PM   #21
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I have had some versions of Netscape to hang up my box as well, so I quit using it.

I never have used SuSE (and just have gotten Mandrake running KDE, so I am just starting with KDE as well), so I am unfamiliar with what tools you have.

Can you get or have you got midnight commander installed?

Midnight Commander

Here are some hints I have posted before about system administration.
# System administration
The best ways I have found to administer my computer is with basic bash commands in a virtual terminal or an xterminal, or with another powerful shell, the well kept secret of mc (Midnight Commander), with a file manager, editor, and lots more handy tools.

If you use the gui log in, you will be on virtual terminal 1 (most installs default to 6 of these terminals) and your x session will be running in virtual terminal 7.

You have mouse support in the command line with gpm unless it has been disabled, so copy and paste is just as easy in virtual terminals as it is in x.

From a virtual terminal, you can switch from one terminal to another by holding down the alt key and pressing one of the function keys F1 - F6. If you are in x, hold down the control key as well as the alt and F<N> key and you will go that terminal. The terminal that was first used to login will be busy and if x was run from that terminal, the error messages generated by x will be shown. The others will display the login prompt until it is used to log in to an account. To return to x from a virtual terminal, press alt and F7 and you are back to your x session.

Remember, whatever you command in root (It's the "god" mode. You can bless or destroy at your whim) usually gets done if enough system is left to carry out the command.

Type
Code:
mc
and press return and the Midnight Commander shell should run. Type control-o and you are in bash. Type control-o and you are in mc.
Code:
man mc
info mc
will give lots of info. You can use Midnight Commander in either user or root accounts.

You can do the normal linux copy/paste with the mouse from one virtual terminal to another by left clicking and swiping text in one, alt-FN to switch to the virtual terminal you wish to paste into, and middle click will paste the text that was swiped in the first virtual terminal into the file at the blinking cursor position.

To surf the internet from the command line, I recommend installing links as it displays most pages reasonably. Also, you can use it to post your questions about Linux here using it. Remember to refresh the posting page after login.

There should be no fear of the command line as it is actually easier to use than the gui. All that is necessary is to know the commands.

If you have zgv installed, you can even view images from the console command line.

Last edited by fancypiper; 04-24-2003 at 03:41 PM.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 12:53 AM   #22
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Thanks, fancypiper.

I do not wish to appear ungrateful, but you seem to be taking me onto planes I do not wish to occupy. Your latest missive is mostly way over my head. Maybe it would help if I make my position clear (and I hope that you wil not be offended by anything I say):

I am a private individual, I do not run a business and do not understand why I should need a 'file management system' (maybe I'm missing something). I regard my PC as a tool - not as an occupation. My relationship with my PC is that of a USER - not a techie. Although I enjoy an intellectual challenge, I have no wish to spend every waking hour trying to sort out why my PC will not do what I wish it to do. Over the past two months, I have spent far too many hours trying to get SuSE to do what I want her to do. I have far too many other things to do, and life's too short...

My interest in Linux is as a replacement for the uncertainties, insecurities and vagaries of Windows - which I am thoroughly sick of. I use my PC for word-processing (Word 2000), for accessing the internet and sending emails (IE5 & OE5) and faxes (MS Fax), for making graphs and spreadsheets (Excel), for making posters, cards, invitations, etc (Publisher), for scanning, OCR and photcopying (HP Scanjet 5300C), for burning CDs (Plextor 12/10/32A), for family history (Brother's Keeper), for making motoring routes (MS Autoroute Express), for reference (Britannica), and for helping me solve crosswords (Wordfinder). There are probably other things, as well...

My interest in using Netscape is that I'm sort of stuck with it as both my internet banks only accept either IE or Netscape as browsers.

So, when logged-on as user, I am still getting the 'Default Inbox does not exist...' error message. Netscape also seems to be unstable in that, from time to time (both as root and as user), it freezes or semi-freezes, and I cannot do anything with it (Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work) and I have to physically switch off the power. This seems to happen more when I connect to the net before I open Netscape than vice versa, but I haven't done it enough times to be certain of this.

In the past, when I've had troubles with Windows, or other MS programs, I've found that a solution is often possible by uninstalling the package, then installing it again, and I'm beginning to wonder if I shouldn't try that with Netscape. However, I cannot find out how to do this. I've tried the various Help facilities in SuSE, I've scoured all the printed reference material I've got (SuSE User Guide, etc, etc, etc), I've tried the SuSE Support Database, and none of them refers to uninstalling at all (except to uninstall Linux!). Indeed, the only reference I can find is in the Linux Newbie Administrator Guide (which is addressed mainly to Red Hat and Mandrake users), and which says use the command:

rpm -e package_<name of package>

I'm wondering if this is a good idea and, if so, whether this command works with SuSE/Netscape.

Do you have any idea?

Best

old codger
 
Old 04-27-2003, 07:42 PM   #23
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Quote:
do not understand why I should need a 'file management system'
Because you were trying to move some files.

Everything on the computer is stored on the hard disk in some file under some folder, so you need either to be able to use the bash commands to handle files or some file browser/manager to do it visually.

Again, I believe that you would be able to see and manage files much easier if you have midnight commander installed because you can see the files/folders in 2 panes for easy moving/copying, etc.

Is SuSE's package manager RPM? If so, that should work. Perhaps maybe you should install a later version of Netscape? Is there an update?

The book on RPM: Maximum RPM

I can't understand why your internet banks won't work with Mozilla, the open source version of netscape. Perhaps your bank should be informed that other browsers need to be supported. I will not do internet business with my bank because they use a Windows server and I have seen too many vulnerabilities with Microsoft software. I have notified them and advised them that there are more secure server software, but no results as of yet. I rag them about it at our local bank every time I go in. I hope they take the hint, but you know bureaucrats...

Have you tried logging into root, starting x and copying that directory over with a gui file manager? Remember to change ownership of the files after moving them.

Last edited by fancypiper; 04-27-2003 at 08:15 PM.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 07:13 AM   #24
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Hi fancypiper

Thanks your latest. I'll have a look at mc when I get a free moment.

In the meantime: EUREKA! I've downloaded and installed Mozilla and now have email operating OK on both root and user. So goodbye lousy Netscape!

After the good news, the bad!

My main email program is, of course, still OE5 - with which I have also for some months used Mailwasher. Up until now, I have had complete confidence in the latter as it has performed very well, but this has now been very rudely shattered.

Apropos of my Linux email problems, you highly recommended mutt. So I thought I'd give it a whirl. I noted that it seemed to be installed as part of my original SuSE 8.1 installation, so clicked SuSE-->Internet-->Communication-->mutt. It seemed to start to load, then died [why?].

So I opened a Shell Konsole window and typed: 'mutt'. I got a huge mass of material - in tabular form - in total 172 [yes! one-hundred-and-seventy-two!] emails. Ninety percent of these were spam, but there were also some important personal ones which I hadn't seen before! All very worrying - it meant that Mailwasher hadn't been doing its job [as all the senders were in the
'Friends' category], and that while I was trying to get my Netscape Inbox sorted out, mutt was quietly squirrelling this stuff away! One interesting thing about it is that the earliest date is back in January - BEFORE I INSTALLED SuSE!! An annoying thing is that, although with a lot of fiddling I have been able to read the emails and print some that I needed, I couldn't open any of the attachments - even though I keyed 'v' [to view attachment].
Although all except one are received emails, amazingly one of them is one I SENT yesterday!

The table is in 5 columns:

| No. (1N-172N) | Date | Sender | Size | Header |

The next question has to be: surely there must be a better way of viewing, reading and printing emails in mutt. Surely it must have some sort of arrangement like OE, NS, Konqueror and Mozilla, ie, a layout with Inbox, Sent Items, Drafts, Trash, etc, etc? If not, then it's a very cumbersome, unfriendly system!
If so, how do I access it?

I downloaded and printed out 25-page 'manual' from the mutt website. It was typical of this sort of thing: it was written by geeks for geeks, it tells you what you can do, but NOT how to do it! So it told me nothing.

I know that you're a mutt expert (!) - so what gives?

BTW, I've just had a note from one of my contacts on the local Linux User Group, and he says:

Mutt is not for the inexperienced. It's like the command-line: great when you get to know it, but it takes an awfully long time to learn.

Comment?

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Old 04-30-2003, 09:38 AM   #25
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I found that Suresh Ramasubramanian's email guide gave me the quickest understanding of how Linux handles mail and configuring mutt. It is a bit of reading and trying things before you understand it (as most things in Linux), but the results are well worth it.

You can setup such gui programs as Evolution (similar to OE) to use the same folders as mutt (the standard linux mail folders setup) rather than the system that Netscape uses.

# Common e-mail tools
sendmail - postfix - sends mail to local users (and internet when configured correctly)
fetchmail - gets mail from internet accounts (non-Hotmail type)
procmail - sorts and delivers into separate mailboxes
mutt - mail client that sucks less than all the others
Email the Linux Way
Suresh Ramasubramanian's email guide
The Linux Mail User HOWTO
The Linux Electronic Mail Administrator HOWTO
 
  


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