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Old 02-03-2007, 09:01 PM   #1
raghavannia
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installing win98 using emulators


Hi,

I am a newbie and I use fedora 6 and win 98. I also own an amd64 machine with SATA hard disk. I would like to install 64 bit linux in it. My question is can I install win 98 in Linux with some emulators like Xen, Bochs etc? Can win98 identify SATA hard disk?. My motherboard does not support win 98. So whether I can install win98 within Linux?
 
Old 02-03-2007, 11:05 PM   #2
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It is never a matter of whether or not your hardware will/won't support the operating system.

It's the other way around. Does the OS support your hardware?

The question that lies therein is... "Are there DRIVERS for my hardware; FOR my operating system of choice?"

ANY operating system will support ANY hardware, provided the manufacturer also develops drivers FOR that hardware to use in order to run within the specific operating systems.

At this time, most manufacturers are slowly dropping ANY AND ALL support for the older operating systems. Windows 98, ME, NT... These operating systems are BY ALL MEANS...obsolete. There really is no longer any reason to develop software or drivers for those platforms.

Check your motherboard manufacturer's website to see if they have drivers for your board in Windows 98. The same goes for ALL of your hardware.

As for running Windows 98 in an emulated environment in Linux... There are a few things that you must understand. The hardware that you are running Linux on may not show up in the emulated environment. The emulated environment most often emulates it's OWN hardware. (One could viably refer to this as "virtual hardware".) Some emulation environments will allow certain hardwares to pass through into the emulated environment for use, but they might not necessarily operate the same way in the emulated environment as they do in the primary OS you're running the emulated environment in. This is just the tip of that iceberg, however. There are a great number of variables you have to take into account.

Try using OpenSuSe Linux if you're going to do this, though. You can use Xen Virtual Machine to run Windows in Linux. Seems to work fairly well.

Just keep in mind that Windows will NOT operate the same in an emulated environment. You have to be flexible with it and actually be willing to adapt and overcome the issues you have. Remember that the emulated environment is essentially a 'virtual computer' with no vendor-specific hardware that either emulates it's own hardware or creates a bridge between the virtual hardware and the physical hardware of the machine you're running it on. (Especially where networking is concerned.)

Also... Remember that you must be sure to distinguish between x86 (32-bit) and x64 (64-bit) platforms. Most Linux distributions have versions for both types of machines out there. Make sure to download the right one for the machine you're running it on. (And yes... You CAN get 32-bit applications to run on an x64 platform. But NOT the other way around.)

Good luck, man.

Cyryl
 
Old 02-04-2007, 03:15 AM   #3
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win98 in linux

Thank you cyryl,



I really appreciate the elaborate answer which you have given. I will try to install openSUSE in my AMD 64 machine and also try to install Xen and then win 98. My very important doubt was whether while installing win 98 will it identify the SATA hard disk or not? I will try to install the same and then let you know.


Thank you for your advice.

Raghavan
 
Old 02-04-2007, 03:48 AM   #4
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I think the point is that Win98 should never see your SATA harddrives. I run VMWare for example. Even though my machine is running SATA drives, the Windows environment sees them as generic IDE devices. This is because VMWare pretends that a big file on your filesystem is its own harddrive. It is a matter of abstraction..
 
Old 02-04-2007, 11:51 AM   #5
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Thank you AngryLlama,


I had a doubt whether SATA hdd can be identiified by win 98 in an emulator. Since your VMware sees the harddisk and you are using the same, I have a hope that my problem will be solved. thankyou for your guidance.


Raghavan
 
Old 02-05-2007, 02:02 AM   #6
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I WAS going to use the words "hardware abstraction" but I was thinking that it would confuse him. Hehehe...

Yes. The virtual system will only see the extra space you've allocated for it as a hard drive. IF the virtual system were to give Windows 98 access to your actual hardware however...

Windows 98 shouldn't have a problem seeing SATA drives as long as you have the hardware drivers for the SATA controller for Windows 98 installed.

But as Lama said... It shouldn't be an issue. It'll just treat the space you allocate for the virtual system as a standard IDE controller and all data transfer will be translated as such by the virtual system's hardware abstraction.

Very good, Lama. Makes me feel that I've explained myself well enough! LOL.

Also... OpenSuSe already has Xen as an installable package. You can select the package to be installed during the SuSe setup process.

I would highly recommend using SuSe 10.1 if you're going to network with any Windows machines at this point. The network protocol that Linux typically uses to communicate with Windows machines isn't working very well in 10.2. (Samba.) It's THERE but it requires extensive configuration for a beginner. (Not to say that you shouldn't try if you are willing to deal with the frustration. If you are determined enough, you can figure ANYTHING out...eventually. :P ) Using 10.1 will just be easier and more time-efficient. There really wasn't all that much difference between 10.1 and 10.2 anyway.

More questions? Come back and ask.

Cyryl
 
Old 02-07-2007, 12:01 PM   #7
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Hi Cyryl,


thank you for your guidance. I am sorry that I could not reply immediately. I am organising my hdd so that I can install openSUSE 10.1 and then using XEN I will try to install win 98. As per your advice I will try to install 10.1 first and try to use XEN and then if successful, and if time permits I will try to install suse 10.2 and try to learn a bit about Linux and all that since I am not well versed in Linux, I will try to attend to one problem at a time.


Thank you.


Raghavan
 
Old 02-08-2007, 11:45 AM   #8
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That is a very good strategy. Well thought-out.

Just remember that before you start using 10.2, you should read up on the issues that Samba has in 10.2 so you're more prepared for it.

Have fun, learn much!
 
  


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