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Old 03-01-2004, 06:54 PM   #1
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installing suse


i know, how amazingly dumb do you have to be to have trouble with this.

regardless, i need help.

i have dsl, and good pipe, and found a mirror i get almost 400kpbs dl from, so i'm looking forward to a speedy install. however i don't quite... get, how exactly you go about doing it? everytime i dig around the ftp there's like 400 folders there, i just don't know how you get it started @_@

like, is there one particular file you dl.. click it once it's done, and then like, feed the ftp address into the installer program?

i couldn't figure it out when i tried late last night, so i looked into that install from minimal boot disc thing. i looked in the boot folder, found boot.iso, dl'd/burned it, popped it in. it started ok. but when i tried to go to ftp as primary source, and imput the addy, it said network device not found. so i dug around in the kernel modules, looked through the nic drivers, and any i tried to find i kept getting "cannot install" errors.

was i supposed to dl/burn the entire boot folder? i was surprised it didn't auto-detect my network to be honest, mandrake did, and from what my friend tells me suse is even more automated/dumbed-down

i'd really like to not dl/burn/boot disc at all. this install entirely through ftp sounds great, and i'd like to do it.

can someone help?
 
Old 03-01-2004, 07:19 PM   #2
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What's the network hardware, how is the comp
connected to ADSL?


Cheers,
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:25 PM   #3
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it's a normal run 'o the mill nic. a (pci) realtek EZ-card, that or adaptec, can't remember. i can't really check because for some reason mandrake (which i'm on now) see's my "network card" as the router i'm connected to. which is a adm linksys 983 fast ethernet 10/100

it's just confusing because like i said, mandrake detected it all and set it up no problem
 
Old 03-01-2004, 07:28 PM   #4
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How about posting the output of
lspci
and
lsmod
, then? :}


Cheers,
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:35 PM   #5
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and em, how do i do that?
 
Old 03-01-2004, 09:08 PM   #6
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:02 PM   #7
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the network stuff i can probably figure out for myself. i'm more looking for help with the actual ftp install process.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 10:17 PM   #8
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in the ftp folders download a file called boot.iso im not sure wher eit is but download it for w/e version you want. Burn that to a CD and boot from it. Answer the questions and when it asks for CD1 press back and select kernel modules. Then select your Network card and be sure to have the I/O range and IRQ of your NIC before hand. It will ask about a proxy...enter one if you do. I don't know any more beyond this.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 10:32 PM   #9
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Then select your Network card and be sure to have the I/O range and IRQ of your NIC before hand.

man, i have no idea how to do that :T and none of the drivers on the list seem to match my nic :l
 
Old 03-01-2004, 10:47 PM   #10
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all right if you are using windows NT/2000/XP right now to find out about your NIC card right click on My computer click manage, then click on device manager, expand the Network adapters section, find your NIC, right click and properties, then go to the resources tab and write down w/e it is. for instance mine is IRQ 18 and I/O Range 3000 - 303F. In 95/98/ME righ click my computer and go to properties i think device manager is a tab in there...if not google for device manager. In SuSe you just type "IRQ 18 I/O Range 3000 - 303F" w/ out quotes and maybe no "range". About not having ur NIC card on the list the very bottom option is more options and it tells you wut to do to install a different NIC card. rather than going through all that I would just pick the same brand as the one you have. I have a 3com 3C905TX and i picked 3com 3c90X or something like that.

PS if you don't have windows idk how to find out the range other than if it is ISA to manually set the jumpers if you know how to set them up.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 11:00 PM   #11
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Suse install really want help???

If you really want help, the way to get continued help is by following the suggestions of
people like Tinkster. Not just going, "well never mind, I don't need that....."

The help you need is gotten from running those commands in a Command Line Terminal in
whatever Linux distro you are using presently. Then, copy the output of the commands
into a reply box on this forum and let those who know how to interpret it point you to the
next step.

So launch a terminal, and type in the following commands:

lspci

{then}

lsmod

{then}

cat /proc/pci

If you really want to get anywhere in Linux, get friendly with the command line.
If you really want help, follow the advice of the older guys, i.e., do as you are told,
otherwise, they've already wasted their time reading and trying to help answer
your post. Be a nice newbie and cooperate.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 12:10 AM   #12
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i wasn't trying to be difficult. as i said, i had no idea how to do what he asked.

i'm just trying to figure out how everything works ya know. and the command line is a big part of that. i'm not afraid or scared of the command line at all, i rather like the speed and power of it. i'd just like it if it actually did what i asked. for instance the first distro i tried was debian. i was following along linux.orgs beginner lesson, and it suggested debian. so i said ok, burned the whole thing, set it up.. and then started learning commands. the problem was half of the commands the writer said to try out didn't work. simple ones like "file" and "less" got command not found. more was there.. but not less. startx didn't work either, there were a few others i just can't remember, oh yea, pico and joe weren't there either. i think my problem with deb was just setting up Dselect. the writer totally abandoned me at that point and said "just answer truthfully" i was completely lost.

so now i'm on mandrake, but i'm thinking of switching to slackware. because i DO want to actually LEARN linux, not just use windows-lite. + mandrake is oddly buggy about certain things for me. like.. playing mp3's, it'll play them fine right, then i'll take a nap or read a book or take a walk, whatever.. and come back and hit play again, and for some reason it won't play them again. i don't remember the specific error but basically it tells me it can't play them now.

and also, the command terminal in mandrake is really screwy. i don't think a single command i've put in has worked. for instance i just did lspci. and nada. "command not found"

so yea... i think i'm gonna try slackware.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 02:20 AM   #13
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nada

Well it comes down to this...Linux requires some reading.
It is still not the point-and-click O/S that Windows has evolved
into (really copied from the Mac, but that's another story).

I strongly suspect if you've typed in a valid command, using
the appropriate syntax, and you got back "command not found",
it is probably due to the fact that you've executed a command,
not logged in as root. Root has its path set to the default
locations for root-type executables (binaries in Linux speak).
They are still available, but because of the lack of presence
of the correct setting in your Path variable, it could not "find"
it. If you typed in the full qualified path name of the command,
it would have "found" and executed it.
That is not necessily the case for ordinary (non-root) users.
Although, your path variable can be modified to point to those
as well.
I am not a Mandrake user, but it would surprise me to find
"lspci" not in its repertoire.

Log out, and then log back in as "root" and try "lspci" and those other
commands again. Then post the output here.

Once more, and I hope this sounds more sympathetic and less
accusatory in tone, please follow the advice. If it doesn't work
as expected, then post again with the copied text of your
terminal session and let us see what went wrong. It is likely
that another pointer will set you on the right path. But it all starts
with gathering crucial relevant information such as these
commands will generate.

Jumping from one distro to another will not solve your problem.
Each has strengths and weaknesses. Some are easier to manage
than others. Ease of management is not a strength of Slack or
Debian. Mandrake is actually one of the easier ones. I still
prefer RedHat or Fedora. But all of them truly require some
basic understanding of the underlying structures of Linux
filesystem layout, commands and settings. I would like to
gently, but strongly urge you to buy a good beginners book
on Linux and curl up in an easy chair to get a good overview
before taking mouse in hand.

Sorry if I chided you too strongly. I don't want to discourage you.

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