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Old 01-22-2014, 11:09 AM   #1
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Installing Rescue CD to external hard drive and then place in netbook as OS


I have an unbootable netbook because of a hard drive failure. The bios is locked not allowing any other media to boot to, so I'm wondering if I can load a Rescue CD distro on the hard drive, then place the drive in the computer, thereby allowing me to remove the Bios limitations, then boot to a USB stick and load whichever OS configuration I desire? I've been searching (obviously in the wrong places) for an answer. The short of the matter is I want to take an external drive and place it in the netbook and have it boot.....Can anyone help me with this or point me in the right direction?

Thank you in advance!!
Seth
 
Old 01-23-2014, 06:01 AM   #2
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It would help if you explained who/why the bios is locked.

I would try to put the netbook drive in an external caddy, (or a pc) and work on it that way.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 12:26 PM   #3
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It would help if you explained who/why the bios is locked.

I would try to put the netbook drive in an external caddy, (or a pc) and work on it that way.
The previous drive is toast and essentially that's what I'm attempting to do, load linux onto external drive via caddy and then put into the netbook and have it boot up. Is that possible?

Sorry, I missed the 1st part of your response. This was previously a school netbook from no one knows where and it has passed through multiple hands before it was unceremoniously dropped into my lap. I'm trying to make it functional for my son and his wife to use, and this is the path I pursued....lol

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Old 01-23-2014, 04:26 PM   #4
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Please post the make / model of your netbook. From there we should be able to determine if or how you can unlock the BIOS.

Without knowing the make/model it is difficult to say. If the system boots at all you should at least be able to have a CLI but no clue if any peripherals will work.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 04:54 PM   #5
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For years I have been creating a small SystemRescueCD partition on all of my hard drives, even ones that contain only data and are not an OS. I install SysRescueCD in that small partition. So if the computer failed (not the harddrive), I can simply insert the hard drive into a different computer and boot it using SysRescueCD to access the data, even though the hard drive does not contain a normal bootable OS.

This works fine and sounds like exactly what you are proposing. I have moved one of my drives configured like this to a different computer and indeed it did boot perfectly using SysRescueCD.

AFAIK, you can get into BIOS without even having a harddrive installed on your computer. When you say the BIOS is "locked", do you mean it has a password on it and you don't know the password? If that's the case, installing a new harddrive that is bootable will not get you into the BIOS any better than you can get into it now.

I would look at this tutorial first, before going to the "replace the harddrive" trouble you are considering:

http://www.technibble.com/how-to-byp...bios-password/

There are tons of tutorials like this all over the web. Just search Google for "remove bios password" or something to that effect.
 
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:03 AM   #6
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For years I have been creating a small SystemRescueCD partition on all of my hard drives, even ones that contain only data and are not an OS. I install SysRescueCD in that small partition. So if the computer failed (not the harddrive), I can simply insert the hard drive into a different computer and boot it using SysRescueCD to access the data, even though the hard drive does not contain a normal bootable OS.

This works fine and sounds like exactly what you are proposing. I have moved one of my drives configured like this to a different computer and indeed it did boot perfectly using SysRescueCD.

AFAIK, you can get into BIOS without even having a harddrive installed on your computer. When you say the BIOS is "locked", do you mean it has a password on it and you don't know the password? If that's the case, installing a new harddrive that is bootable will not get you into the BIOS any better than you can get into it now.

I would look at this tutorial first, before going to the "replace the harddrive" trouble you are considering:

http://www.technibble.com/how-to-byp...bios-password/


There are tons of tutorials like this all over the web. Just search Google for "remove bios password" or something to that effect.
Thank you!! That's exactly what I was looking for. I couldn't care that the BIOS is locked as long as I can put a Linux OS on the new drive and get it to boot. The BIOS on this unit is password protected. I've contacted DELL via their automated ownership transfer program and if that works out, they can give me the master password, although if they want the previous registered owner, I'm out of luck.

I have spent several hours scouring on the web on "remove bios password" also to no avail, so I'm assuming this was a custom password and therefore not doable without disassembling and replacing the chip as the original owner is unknown.
I was trying to get the answer you gave on putting SysRescue on a partition and actually having it boot. I either overlooked or never stumbled upon the actual answer as to whether a harddrive created on one computer could be removed and placed in another and be bootable. I'm very appreciative to all the people who have taken time to give me answers, though at times I felt I wasn't adequately describing what I was trying to accomplish by the responses I was getting back. Perhaps also the question was too elementary and the assumption was the correct answer was such common knowledge, that a detailed answer need not be given. I'm not really a "newbie", but a stroke in 2008 has left a vast portion of my long term memory "wiped", so some things, such as this situation I have, need to be explained in detail for me to follow the logic......for that I apologize to the people who are trying to help and to those I've frustrated by my lack of understanding.

I will look at the SysRescue CD and try to install that on the new drive. I'm going to assume that I can install multiple Linux distros by using grub or something else?

Seth
 
Old 01-24-2014, 10:48 AM   #7
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i think if you unplug the laptop and remove the cmos battery for a few hours (sometimes the mainboard has a jumper you can short out) the bios will lose its memory and default.

i have in the past upgraded pc's without re-installing the os by frankenstein-ing the hard drive into a new desktop so it should work (unless the bios memorizes the uuid of the old hard drive).
 
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i think if you unplug the laptop and remove the cmos battery for a few hours (sometimes the mainboard has a jumper you can short out) the bios will lose its memory and default.
Not true of modern laptops.
 
Old 02-12-2014, 05:25 PM   #9
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Thank you!! That's exactly what I was looking for. I couldn't care that the BIOS is locked as long as I can put a Linux OS on the new drive and get it to boot. The BIOS on this unit is password protected. I've contacted DELL via their automated ownership transfer program and if that works out, they can give me the master password, although if they want the previous registered owner, I'm out of luck.

I have spent several hours scouring on the web on "remove bios password" also to no avail, so I'm assuming this was a custom password and therefore not doable without disassembling and replacing the chip as the original owner is unknown.
I was trying to get the answer you gave on putting SysRescue on a partition and actually having it boot. I either overlooked or never stumbled upon the actual answer as to whether a harddrive created on one computer could be removed and placed in another and be bootable. I'm very appreciative to all the people who have taken time to give me answers, though at times I felt I wasn't adequately describing what I was trying to accomplish by the responses I was getting back. Perhaps also the question was too elementary and the assumption was the correct answer was such common knowledge, that a detailed answer need not be given. I'm not really a "newbie", but a stroke in 2008 has left a vast portion of my long term memory "wiped", so some things, such as this situation I have, need to be explained in detail for me to follow the logic......for that I apologize to the people who are trying to help and to those I've frustrated by my lack of understanding.

I will look at the SysRescue CD and try to install that on the new drive. I'm going to assume that I can install multiple Linux distros by using grub or something else?

Seth
Update!!! http://www.rmprepusb.com
Since there seems to be no free solution to solving the BIOS password problem, I went through many forum searches to find the next best solution:
http://www.rmprepusb.com/ Here I downloaded the tool, installed on my working Win7 machine, slaved the SSD, and installed several Linux distros. I then put the SSD into the netbook, and was able to boot to a working unit. Although I wasn't able to use anything to crack the BIOS, I achieved my original goal of getting the netbook up and working and more!!
This tool also has tutorials as to how to load various OS including Windows. I highly suggest anyone confronted with any issue such as I went through to use this tool and explore the website as there are many useful solutions there. This tool can also be used to load OS's to flash drives.
Thanks again to all who answered to the best of their knowledge and ability my original question. I'm truly grateful and hope someday to return the favor!!
 
  


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