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Old 11-19-2003, 08:54 AM   #1
duffboygrim
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Installing Mandrake 9.2 on dual boot with Windows XP


Hi all.

I'm really interested in installing Mandrake LINUX 9.2 on my system as I'm intersted in giving LINUX a try. Problem is I'm running Windows XP Home Ed. (YUK!) which my Mrs uses for her college work etc. Getting her to use another OS would be like trying to make an omlette without breaking an egg if you know what I mean.

My main worries are:-

1) Have I got enough disk space?
I have a 40 GB HD that Windows says has 56% free space. I guess that leaves me around 22 (ish) GB. If I were to load Mandrake 9.2 how much space would I have left for other applications both on the windows and LINUX partitions?

2) If for some reason I need to uninstall Mandrake 9.2, how is this done and will I be able to recover the space partitioned to it for Windows XP use?

I would personally prefer to run LINUX at home so I just wanted to know if my situation is not uncommon and if the Mrs does need that extra space, how much hassle will it leave me with?

Cheers,

DBG.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 09:40 AM   #2
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Inform the Mrs that anything she wants to do is possible in linux and I must say more pleasurable.Buy her a linux newbie book maybe linux for dummies and show her the world of linux isn't to be afraid of but respected for giving us a choice.When I setup my pc dual booting xp and mandrake I made up a primary partion using 50% of my disk.During the install of mandrake I just told it to use the free space.Half is for linux and other for xp and I bear in mind how much space I have and make each other live and thrive in that space.Now material like songs video clips and word documents saved in xp you can access from linux.So set up your saved files on xp for when in windows that material isn't seen if you happen to be on your linux partion for xp doesn't see your linux partion.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 11:48 AM   #3
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I am a newbie so you can check this with others more knowledgeable.

Yes, you have enough disk space. You could start with a relativly small amount 5-6 gigs if you want, so as not to scare the Mrs.
Yes, you can uninstall mandrake 9.2. according to the documentation supplied with 9.2.
I have not tried to uninstall mandrake myself so some one else will have to give you an actual accounting.
I copied the following out of the 9.2 documentation.

How to Uninstall Linux

Operating systems generally do not offer the possibility to uninstall themselves. If for any reason you want to uninstall Mandrake Linux, you can do so.

The uninstallation process consists of two steps:

Delete all partitions related to Mandrake Linux on your hard drive (usually partitions hosting ext3 file systems and the swap partition) and optionally replace them by a single FAT partition using DiskDrake.

Warning

Removing partitions on your hard drive will inevitably result in a loss of data stored on them. Please make sure you have backed up all the data you want to keep before proceeding with this step.

Uninstall the boot loader (generally LILO) from the Master Boot Record (MBR). To do so, boot under DOS and run the fdisk /mbr command.

If you have another OS, please refer to its documentation to determine how to regenerate the master boot record with it.
end of copy

Also,
Welcome to linux. Hope you have as good a time as I am having.

Continued gratitude to all those who help us newbies.

Last edited by toastermaker; 11-19-2003 at 11:51 AM.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 01:05 PM   #4
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Thanks Guys. After yet more xp woes today I'll be installing it later.

Cheers,

DBG.
 
Old 11-19-2003, 04:51 PM   #5
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I just did what you plan...

A couple weeks ago I just did what you'd like to do.
I used Partition Magic 8 to set aside 2 Linux extents, a 5.5GB main extent and
a .5GB swap extent.

Then I installed Mandrake 9.2, which recognized the existing partitions(extents)
and the install went very well. I can use MOST of the features in Linux, except
the modem(winmodem) and USB ports. But I'm new and will learn alot working
on these problems. Make sure to choose Linux as the default OS, or Lilo won't
work right in the WinXP boot record.

Since I can only use my WinXP partition to get online, I later created a 2 GB
FAT32 partiton, which can be accessed by BOTH WinXP AND Linux. So now I
can do word processing on Linux, save to the FAT32 partition, and then use
WinXP to email documents, or read/edit them with Word. The conversion
from KWrite to Word .doc format might not be perfect, but .txt works well, so
far.

I installed ALOT of stuff in the Linux partition, because I want to try Gnome,
KDE, and many of the browsers, features, etc. Once I know which apps I like
my next Linux install will be smaller and more efficient, and contain just what
I like. Right now the actual Linux, with MANY apps totals 2 GB, leaving about
4GB for data, etc. That's actually as much space as the computer I just
'retired' had on it (6GB total). My new computer has 40GB, of which I have
about 8 GB for Linux, including the 'common' 2GB FAT32 partition. WinXP
takes up about 2GB also, leaving 30GB for WinXP data.

You'll be OK using 6-10GB for Linux, unless it becomes your primary OS. But
for a 'test drive' you'll be fine.

Regards,
Al
 
Old 11-19-2003, 05:07 PM   #6
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BTW...

What on earth can take up 56% of a 40GB HDD?
Ask your wife to clean up her directories/graphics!
Delete old emails, too.

Regards,
Al
 
Old 11-20-2003, 06:19 AM   #7
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al_chemyst post the info on your modem chipset etc. We can help get you going in the right direction or perhaps even post a link to a driver for your modem.I also use a winmodem and get online just fine using linux.Once you have the driver installed just set up kppp with your isp info and surf away.
 
Old 11-26-2003, 03:35 AM   #8
al_chemyst
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Modem Info

Hi mike35!

Thanks for the offer to help with my modem problem. It's a bit discouraging
because I found several possible drivers, but have yet to get one working.

If you search for my username 'al_chemyst' you'll find my discussion about
my Broadcom v.92 94214 modem(per Gateway Tech Specs), using the Intel
82801 DB AC97 chipset in the 'Hardware' thread, and maybe elsewhere. I
spent ALOT of time researching all the possible variants and tried the
Linuxant driver(Conexant not Broadcom firmware), and the RedHat driver
for some earlier Intel chipsets(421X family).

One problem is that there are several options, and I don't know if one
interferes with another, so none of them work. I didn't uninstall one driver
before trying to install another. But I didn't think the file names would
conflict.

You might also search for 'linman', who discerned a way to take an old RedHat
driver and recompile it for use with an updated kernel. Another guy named
SteveScrim...(something) thinks the Linuxant driver will work, but I failed to
run a config command immediately after installing the driver, so the 'linman'
approach may have interfered, but I doubt it. I have not tried the Smartlink
HAMR5600 driver, which is also a possibility according to a google search.

Modemsite.com/56K/bcm.asp recommends the Dell driver, but I don't have
a Dell account to access it.

A modem-help.com search for '82801' says that a driver existed in MDK
kernel 5.03.27(beta). I guess it didn't make the final cut.

My computer is a new Gateway 305XL, with a m-celeron 2.2, instead of a
m-P4. I'm running WinXP Pro dual boot with Mandrake 9.2 (2.4.22-10mdk).

TIA for any help.

Regards,
Al

Modem Info:

PCI/VEN_8086&DEV_24c6&SUBSYS_24c68086

From listmodem v1.6 on WinXP

PCI Config Read:
Vendor ID: 8086 (Intel)
Device ID: 24c6
SubVendor ID: 144F
SubDevice: 1050
Revision ID: 03

Deduced Info:
Vendor:ICH
Dev Name: Unknown
SubVendor:Askey
ModemType: HSF
WinXP Inbuild Support: No
 
Old 11-28-2003, 12:27 AM   #9
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Still trying to get BCM modem working

Just trying to keep this thread from getting lost in the archives.

Al
 
  


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