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Old 08-20-2009, 10:16 AM   #16
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Screenshot or Copy and Paste...

Firstly, have you done anything with the partitions as yet? Your post says you want to install openSUSE but not that you have. If you have tried something, it seems that Vaio still boots into Windows?

I ask because your "fdisk-l" seems to say that you shrank the Windows partition and created an extended partition for linux, but did nothing more.

If this is what you did, or what a linux installer did, how did you shrink Windows? Did you use the Vista tool or linux?

The first partition (sda1) would be the Vista recovery partition, the second (sda2) would be Vista, and has a boot flag.

Secondly, assuming that this machine has only one HDD, "fdisk -l" seems to find the same HDD twice, then reports it the second time (sdb) as being without a valid partition table.

Thirdly, the link doesn't work for me unless I want to download some Windows programs, and the German is an added problem for most of the forum.

Can you either take a screenprint or simply mark and copy the results of the two partitioners and post the results.

If that does not work, and you have to take a picture, try to download it to OpenOffice Draw or Gimp. You can then as save the file as a PDF and post it.

Just because I'm stubborn, I think you should have a copy of PartedMagic or GPartedLiveCdD.

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Old 08-20-2009, 11:57 AM   #17
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farzadfedora,

hi, i'm sorry for coming in late, i was out and busy.

yes your posted report is good. the machine sees, only a little glitch anyway: linux cannot see/read your extended partition, over which, by your OP, you said it is where your linux (3 in all) partitions are located. right?

Now, reboot your VAIO, press F9 or F10 or F11 to enter into BIOS configuration. There find RAID, switch it OFF (or DONT USE RAID). Reboot.

Linux should run. If not, then after disabling RAID get machine reports again with the commands I gave you above and post them here. I wish to read the reports without RAID running in your BIOS.

This seems a little problem only. Just give us your next report.

I wait.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 12:21 PM   #18
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farzad,

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(Note : I don't know it's important or not but while I was typing them my USB flash memory was connected. 16GB with FAT file system)
-- Not problem its okay I can read it from your post its there and a good one.
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I have bought a sony vaio laptop based with vista...
now I'm going to install openSUSE on my laptop but I want to keep my vista too.

when I want to install it , it can find my hard-drive partitions but cant find it's type(NTFS) and cant find my vista too...

I have installed this linux on other PC's with vista and it recognized it correctly but it cant do it with my vista on my laptop...
I'm sorry to mistake the OP, you did not yet format anything. I am in a hurry. Okay after disabling RAID in Vaio you can safely proceed.

Do these:

1) First you have to reduce the free space in your hard disk. Do this using Vista shrinking application. There is no other safer way to shrink vista but this one if you want to make it usable after.

2) Use Mint 7 installer live CD (you can download an iso click here). So far in my limited experience Mint has always proven to me very effective for this purpose. Use the this to prepare your free space for linux.
NOTE:
DON'T TOUCH PRIMARY PARTITIONS. Leave it for Vista. Shrink only the free space in the Extended partition, prepare it for linux. Linux does not need primary partition, it can boot even if you place it at the last and farthest partition in the extended area.

3) Now you have unformatted free space in the extended, partition them in any way you want. Only two partitions are required for linux: One for the root, about no less than 10Gb in ext2 or ext3 format. One also a swap partition about 1-4 GB of size whatever you like (mine I only have 750mb of swap and it is not at all used under normal operation.

4) When two partitions are ready, install linux using live CD. Suse, Mint 7, Fedora, Debian or any distro at your choice. Be sure to install Grub boot loader so that you can use it to dual-boot with your vista.

5) Remember to disable RAID if you are not ready to configure it.

By the way, don't worry, Linux sees your hard drive and partitions as you have posted the reports above. Once Raid is disabled live CD should be smooth to run and control your storage disks.

Check back how it goes.

Good luck.

Hope this helps.

Last edited by malekmustaq; 08-20-2009 at 12:31 PM.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 05:20 PM   #19
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RAID and all...

malekmustaq seems to think that you have your BIOS configured for RAID and that that is perhaps the problem. Take a look in the BIOS. On my motherboard the BIOS post is "Onchip SATA Mode" and the choices are IDE/AHCI/RAID. On a new laptop, I would expect AHCI was activated.

You can also, in Vista, find out which drivers you are using.

http://lifehacker.com/318599/get-a-c...n-your-machine

BEFORE you make any changes in that BIOS setting, you will need to have the right Vista driver for the new setting already installed, or Vista may not boot. I trust that you have already made a CD/DVD copy of Vista?

You might look and see what your BIOS says and make any changes, then post back with at least "fdisk -l".

I don't understand that extended partition and double notation of the same HDD. malekmustaq seems to think it is RAID, but see what happens to the partition table when, if you have RAID set up, you change from RAID.

Maybe someone with more experience will post in with more information.

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Old 08-20-2009, 05:23 PM   #20
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To malekmustaq...

I don't understand why this step 2 is needed. After Vista has shrunken the partition, the free space should be seen by 11.1's partitioner while openSUSE 11.1 is preparing it's installation.

2) Use Mint 7 installer live CD (you can download an iso click here). So far in my limited experience Mint has always proven to me very effective for this purpose. Use the this to prepare your free space for linux.

I also don't understand how to excerpt part of a preceding post and get it to present itself in a clear blue box like you did. How do you do that?

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Old 08-20-2009, 05:47 PM   #21
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When I added SuSE to my new Toshiba laptop, I used Vista's partitioning tool, but forgot to defrag the vista partition first. If you defragment the vista partition, you will be able to use about 50-60% of the drive for SuSE. Using gparted later, I needed to repair both filesystems. I would advise using manual partitioning in the YaST installer. Create the partitions for SuSE in the space that resizing in Vista freed up.

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On my Gateway netbook I did something a bit more adventurous. I knew that booting to the first (recovery partition), I could reinstall vista into the second partition. So I deleted the vista partition, installed Fedora, leaving a whole around 50 GB for vista, and than recovered vista. There is a part of the NFTS filesystem that isn't movable, which prevents shrinking the Vista partition below around 50% using Vista's partition tool. I knew that I could recover Vista this way or I wouldn't have risked it.

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No, that isn't a mistype. My Gateway netbook did come with Vista installed.
It's more like a mini-notebook with a netbook footprint.

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Old 08-20-2009, 05:53 PM   #22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thorkelljarl View Post
To malekmustaq...


I also don't understand how to excerpt part of a preceding post and get it to present itself in a clear blue box like you did. How do you do that?
Either go into the advanced editing mode and click the quote icon on the top, and paste the quote inside the tags; or manually type [ quote ] & [ /quote ] around the text you are quoting. (note: without the spaces inside the brackets I included to get the tags printed instead of used)
You can also use [ quote=<posters name> ] to add information about the source of the quote. This is also handy when quoting from an article or book.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 06:33 PM   #23
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That's right, we forgot...

Here is a defragmenter that should work well with Vista if you don't have/can't find one in Vista.

http://www.auslogics.com/en/software...efrag/download
 
Old 08-21-2009, 02:47 AM   #24
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Thorkelljarl:


1-My Vaio has 2 HDD … so fdisk will show you 2 HDD . (My total HDD space is 500 GB and both of them are internal)

2- every time I try to install a linux distro it cant recognize my HDDs partition table … I will upload the screenshots in another place too. .I hope it helps you to understand better.

3-For downloading those screenshots its not necessary to download other programs. Just click on that link then at the bottom of the page you see a code and “NEXT” button. Type the code in the field and then click next. Then in the other page there is a “Download” button at the bottom of the page. Just click on it to start downloading the file…. By the way I will upload that file on rapidshare too…. I hope it help.

4-I partitioned my HDDs with Acronis Disk Director Suite 10 in Vista and now I have 10 Partitions. If you check the screenshots you will understand.


malekmustaq:

I checked my bios but it didn’t had a part for users to be able to disable RAID. It only has a part named “RAID Configuration” and has 2 options. “show” & “hide”. Its default selected option is “hide”. I changed it then did what you said but linux couldn’t find my partition table again. So it didn’t installed and changed nothing.
I took some pictures of my BIOS and compressed them with those other screenshots and uploaded them in rapidshare.

I did something else for you… I think you need more information about my hardware so I created a report from it and uploaded it at rapidshare. You can download it easily and check it out.

And an other point… My HDDs are SATA. .. I don’t know much about RAID & SATA and don’t know what they are. I only know my HDDs are SATA…….


Download Screenshots & BIOS Pictures (Rapidshare)


Download Hardware Report (Rapidshare)




And at last PLEASE Excuse me for my bad English

Thanks a lot for your replies
 
Old 08-21-2009, 02:53 AM   #25
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jschiwal:

I have no problem for partitioning my system. I have 10 partitions right now but Linux don't find them !!!!! please check the screenshots ... you will understand...
you can find the download link in my previous reply easily.....
 
Old 08-21-2009, 06:33 AM   #26
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Are you using RAID? How about the hide raid setting?
I also noticed the "security" field in the hardware report.

Try booting the system from a live cd and run "lspci -v". Maybe you need to modprobe a kernel module before the drives become visible.
The verbose list of lspci may indicate which kernel module a device needs.
 
Old 08-21-2009, 06:43 AM   #27
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ive got a vaio laptop vgn-fw11s and ive can duel boot linux with vista easy, i just put in a live cd partioned it with the linux distro and i was away never done it before and it was so easy, now when i boot up never go in to windows always in linux, ive even deleted ubuntu and tried federa 11,slax,ue,bt4, but being a newbie i went back to ubuntu ultimate edition 2.3 just becouse its newbie friendly...love it.
Have a go its not that hard, but if you dont feel confidant dont!.
Remember linux will let you duel boot but windows just wants to open windows.

regards DEX

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Old 08-21-2009, 02:05 PM   #28
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farzad,

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2- every time I try to install a linux distro it cant recognize my HDDs partition table … I will upload the screenshots in another place too. .I hope it helps you to understand better.
-- Based on your report posted above Linux was able to read from your HDDs, there you have sda, sdb and a small sdc usb. If I was driving your machine I would have been able to partition (if there is a free space already) using fdisk or parted manually. I only had the hesitance to advise you because it is a risky venture. We are here looking a safer way to do that, through a GUI is possible so that it would be easy for you with the feeling of assurance as you do them.
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4-I partitioned my HDDs with Acronis Disk Director Suite 10 in Vista and now I have 10 Partitions. If you check the screenshots you will understand.
-- Have you created at least one ext2 or ext3 format and one swap format among your new partitions created by Acronis? We should know this specifically. If there are linux partitions then a live cd should be able to see it, assuming there are no issues posed by RAID.
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I checked my bios but it didn’t had a part for users to be able to disable RAID. It only has a part named “RAID Configuration” and has 2 options. “show” & “hide”. Its default selected option is “hide”. I changed it then did what you said but linux couldn’t find my partition table again. So it didn’t installed and changed nothing.
-- Unless we disable or correctly configure Raid under linux I cannot assure you a safe action from the point we discussed.
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And an other point… My HDDs are SATA. ..
-- Yes we know it is Serial ATA (SATA) from the report post above.
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I don’t know much about RAID & SATA and don’t know what they are. I only know my HDDs are SATA…….
-- RAID (Redundant Array Intelligent Disks) is an advanced implementation of using array to improve read/write functions into multiple drives: in your case you have two hdd's, these are used (accessed) through a set array. This is getting technical, I believe you can better learn it from here click this.

SATA cannot pose any problem to you and you don't need change anything about it from BIOS. Download a tutorial hereunder in my signature, you don't have to read all of it right now, but you can use its TOContents to lead you to immediate answers for simple linux questions. Doing that you can develop self confidence in facing the problem.

Admittedly I cannot pretend to know enough about RAID so I can only help you if it is turned Off to avoid destroying your Vista files and data. To use and configure RAID in Linux installation we need the help from those who have the ability.
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hi thorkelljar,

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I don't understand why this step 2 is needed. After Vista has shrunken the partition, the free space should be seen by 11.1's partitioner while openSUSE 11.1 is preparing it's installation.
-- I was alone in helping farzad, he uses suse but I am not familiar how suse implements partition application (I don't even know if it has gparted) my sure experience is only with Mint, Fedora, Debian and Slack, so to be sure and to make simple my instruction I suggest he use Mint, one familiar to me. A case like this it is always more helpful if the helper minimizes asking questions to the one needing help. Nothing technical to my choice for Mint: only to simplify communication and solution. I am an old man and I certainly know what I am doing, otherwise else I prefer to remain silent.
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I also don't understand how to excerpt part of a preceding post and get it to present itself in a clear blue box like you did. How do you do that?
-- You will need to copy the post-text and paste it into the Reply/ Message box. There "select" (click-drag, blocking) the text intended to be quoted; at the upper left of the message box are eight square bottons, click the one at the right most named "Wrap". When you save the entire post your quoted texts are wrapped in a box like the one you see.
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I hope this helps.

good luck.

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Old 08-21-2009, 07:15 PM   #29
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If the installer doesn't see any of your disks, that sounds like the install kernel doesn't have a kernel module needed for the disk controller. If you boot up using a live distro, and enter the "lspci -v" command, you can discover which disk controller is used. If the manufactorID:model code is recognized, and there is a kernel module that works with the controller, then on the bottom of the section listing the controller, it may tell you which controller is being used.

If you don't have a live disto, press [CTRL]-ALT-F2 in the installer. Usually that will get you to a console where you can enter "lspci" there.

Otherwise look up the information about the controller in Vista and post the information.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 03:15 AM   #30
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farzad:

It seems no professional help comes to-day. So I may take one more step to help you, out of my little experience. As i have said I don't count my self as advanced linux user. I only know little about RAID just enough to hold mine .

NOTE: THE THINGS I SAY HEREUNDER IS ONLY FOR THE BRAVE AND DECIDED, IF YOU ARE NOT YET DECIDED TO REINSTALL/ (OR TO FORGET ABOUT) VISTA LOOK FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS

Fist thing: BACKUP ALL IMPORTANT DATA TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE

I have nothing against RAID, in fact it improves RW performance. So far RAID should be implemented in multi-disk server machines for faster performance. Only, I don't believe that you are planning to use your VAIO laptop as a server. So, I don't believe it needs raid. I have laptops too, but I regularly switch Off raid each because I am doing multi-boot. RAID is only easy to use when A SINGLE OS runs the machine. Where multiple OS's take turns to exploit your machine I think you will need a third party RAID tool not just an onboard chip controller. Just for general information: Linux implements raid better. What you are facing here is only because Sony and Microsoft has agreed put an obstacle to the buyer (you, as others do: internet has plenty of this reported problem beginning old VAIO models to present) to discourage him from further meddling with partitions or switching to another OS. But there are varied solutions for you.
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Your system uses an intel onboard raid controller it loads during POST stage so you have to kill it from there. Your last post says there is no way to switch it Off. But I suppose there could still be ways:
1. At boot try press F8, then F4, this usually takes you to raid config to switch it Off, or find the Advance RAID Configuration options from within. If not then...
2. I presume there is a jumper on the motherboard to kill it, this is tricky, read your manual; or, try to--
3. Configure your SATA drives into IDE, you can do this at the BIOS hardrive configuration.
WARNING:
Either way you choose, you may lose much vista data when linux prepares the drive. RAID written files are difficult to trace and protect: you don't know What is written Where and Which disk, you can only peep through the holes of array. So if you are a newbie wishing to multi-boot Vista and Linux but has no time to configure any further, then forget about RAID, after killing raid reinstall vista first then linux to the extended area. (Back up current data to external drive before doing anything. But if you have no important data, well, nothing to back up.
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After killing RAID completely you will have complete control over your hardisks, do anything to it. If you wish to reinstall vista do it first in the primary partitions. Give the biggest share of space to extended partition, there you can install a dozen of linux distros and boot them from grub. The second disk may be dedicated to your sensitive data.

I hope this helps.

good luck.

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