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Old 08-17-2009, 12:28 AM   #1
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installing linux on a vista based laptop


hi...
I have bought a sony vaio laptop based with vista...
now I'm going to install openSUSE on my laptop but I want to keep my vista too.

when I want to install it , it can find my hard-drive partitions but cant find it's type(NTFS) and cant find my vista too...

I have installed this linux on other PC's with vista and it recognized it correctly but it cant do it with my vista on my laptop...

please help me to do this.

my laptop info

Model -> SONY VAIO VGN-AR870NB
CPU -> Intel Core2Due 2.5 with 6MB cache
RAM -> 4GB
Graphic -> GeForce 8600 - 512 MB
included Blue-Ray Drive
monitor - 17"
 
Old 08-17-2009, 12:40 AM   #2
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Heh, 'Vista-based laptop'. Friend, there's hardware, and there's the OS that runs on it. The two are separate. That manufacturers usually give you a Windows is ultimately only a matter of getting your money back if you don't want it.

This should be pretty straightforward, but more info is required. What version of OpenSUSE are you using? Get the latest if you can; we want to be totally sure your installer knows what NTFS is.
 
Old 08-17-2009, 12:43 AM   #3
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did you use VISTA'S tool ( built in) to resize the partition to make room for Opensuze ?
I do not own , and never will own vista or win 7 so .
 
Old 08-18-2009, 06:48 AM   #4
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hi...
I know software and hardware are separate.... "vista-based laptop" just means I have a laptop with original vista on it....
I'm going to install opensuse 11.1 on it (just like my PC)
and I know how to partition it and i have 10 partitions now!!!! ( My Total hard drive space -> 500 GB)

but linux cant find them and tell me "you dont have any partition table on your hard drive"

I tried to install ubuntu,mandriva and fedora too but all have the same problem
 
Old 08-18-2009, 06:51 AM   #5
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I have a qeustion/suggestion:
did the Sony Vaio come with a restore cd? and could you slick your hard drive clean, repartition it for dual boot, then install Linux first, then restore the manufacturer's bundle after?

S'what I did...the (HP) bundle I restored with did not mess with the Ubuntu partitions or install at all, simply looked for a usable ntfs yard to play in.

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Old 08-18-2009, 04:56 PM   #6
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You should start with a virtual machine such as Virtualbox. That way you don't bork your vista install and you can easily learn and play with distros.

A virtual machine is a program (application) somewhat like any windows application. You load it and run it in a window. This app is really a software copy of a computer. On a modern system like you have the application is very close to what you would have with a dual boot. It is very easy and you don't have to reboot. You can run basically two computers (or more) within your normal log on.

They allow linux in Iran? Just joking.

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Old 08-18-2009, 05:49 PM   #7
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You should start with a virtual machine such as Virtualbox. That way you don't bork your vista install and you can easily learn and play with distros.

A virtual machine is a program (application) somewhat like any windows application. You load it and run it in a window. This app is really a software copy of a computer. On a modern system like you have the application is very close to what you would have with a dual boot. It is very easy and you don't have to reboot. You can run basically two computers (or more) within your normal log on.

They allow linux in Iran? Just joking.
yes i would suggest vmware to the rigt choice taking reformating and stuff if you say you have made 10 gb of space
are using a 3rd part tool or some thing Sony or Vist has provided

i had used partition magic and it works great

for Vmware info do let me know
 
Old 08-18-2009, 08:59 PM   #8
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If it is Vista...

The advice about using Vista's own partitioning tool to change Vista's partition is wise to follow. Although it may not shrink the partition as much as you desire, it should maintain Vista in a form that can boot.

If you have the ability to make a Vista restore/recovery CD/DVD, do so before you attempt anything else at all.

Many have dual-booted, many have used virtual machines, many are pleased with each.

Here is a quick guide on a dual boot with Vista.

http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vi...lled_first.htm

If you wish to use more of the HDD for linux than you can obtain using Vista's tool, Vista will register the change and should not boot thereafter. You will need to fix Vista with that restore/repair CD/DVD you have made or with one of the Vista boot repair programs you can download; the howto mentions NeoSmart, where there is one available.

If you want to see your partitions before you do anything, you can use PartedMagic or some other live-cd, open a terminal, and as root, type the command "fdisk -l". I believe that PartedMagic should see all the partitions, including those Windows may not show.

It is not a good idea to have a linux installation place its partitions where there is a hidden Vista restore partition or Vista itself.

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Old 08-19-2009, 12:49 AM   #9
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first ... i know what virtual box is but I dont want to use it....

second... if i install linux first it will format all of my hard disk and all of my data will remove because it cant find my HDD partition table.

and at last as you know vista creates a partition in Laptops named recovery partition. and as you know its the first partition.
and linux always look for other OS's on the first partition... so it cant find anything....
so if i install linux first and then install vista linux wont be able to find my vista so it cant repair grub for dual boot.


but at last thanks a lot for your replies.

and I still need help......

please excuse me for my bad english.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 01:24 AM   #10
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Download...

Try to download and burn PartedMagic 4.4, boot it, look at the partitions and use the Roxterminal to look at your partition table with "fdisk -l" Then open the Vista partitioning tool (Administrator?) and look at what it shows you.

You are looking for any recovery partition and boot flags, perhaps shown by the partition size and the number of cylinders. The recovery partition may not show itself, but it takes up space, and the Vista NTFS should be seen.

Post the results of both so we can see what you have to start with.

I assume that you would want to keep Vista and install openSUSE after it. It should be possible while keeping a Vista restore and a Vista partition. Installing openSUSE from the DVD will let you choose where to put the bootloader.

You might read this too, the long posting; it is all about this problem.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...stion.-748571/

What has google told you about the Sony Vaio and recovery partitions?

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Old 08-19-2009, 10:41 AM   #11
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partitioning the Vista drive

I would also suggest gparted live cd. I used that once, and it was good for resizing live partitions without screwing up the MBR or Windows' existing files.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 11:45 AM   #12
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I would install everything manually... I'd install windows first and then linux seccond. When you go to decide which partition Grub is installed on put it on the same partition that you have linux on. such as...

Windows sda1/hda1

Linux sda2/hda2

grub goes on sda2/hda2

then you should use a program to make the partition linux is on the boot partition. that way you have the bootloader booting from the linux partition and it has the ability to boot the windows partition (sda/hda).

[edit] when i say boot partition i mean the active partition in fdisk or whatever. you can manually set what partition is active and bootable.

The problem with this is if you ever go to mess with anything (such as installing a new linux/windows) it gets mucky. Good luck though.

[edit2] if you just resize it is the same concept. you always resize the end of the drive to unpartitioned space, install linux and the bootloader on that partition then make it active/bootable just the same.

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Old 08-19-2009, 12:46 PM   #13
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farzadfedora,

Certainly you have a very good laptop. This should not take long to solve your problem.

I can't believe the installer cannot see anything: at least if Partition Table is not read, the drive must be seen by linux, unless M$ again has done something about its format. First let us know, can your suse live CD installer see the vaio drive? Try do this: Boot from live CD, on terminal issue these commands:

root@host--#: fdisk -l
root@host--#: lspci
root@host--#: cat /proc/diskstats | grep 8

Please post here the result so we can start solving the problem.
-------------x

I don't know about openSuse, I used Mint before and its LiveCD has a very efficient gParted application. You may use it only for this purpose.

we wait.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 02:03 PM   #14
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farzadfedora,

Certainly you have a very good laptop. This should not take long to solve your problem.

I can't believe the installer cannot see anything: at least if Partition Table is not read, the drive must be seen by linux, unless M$ again has done something about its format. First let us know, can your suse live CD installer see the vaio drive? Try do this: Boot from live CD, on terminal issue these commands:

root@host--#: fdisk -l
root@host--#: lspci
root@host--#: cat /proc/diskstats | grep 8

Please post here the result so we can start solving the problem.
-------------x

I don't know about openSuse, I used Mint before and its LiveCD has a very efficient gParted application. You may use it only for this purpose.

we wait.
Yes it should see the ntfs you are right, but that also might depend on what openSUSE he is running? Maybe they have it disabled on the install part of the cd, so you can't install to an ntfs partition. Who knows, though I'm sure if he had some empty space it should see that. =( I guess that we should ask if it even sees a disc....?
 
Old 08-20-2009, 05:12 AM   #15
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malekmustaq ...

I don't have suse live CD ... I only have it's installer DVD.
so I did it in ubuntu 9.04 and here is the result of each command.
(Note : I don't know it's important or not but while I was typing them my USB flash memory was connected. 16GB with FAT file system)

root@host--#: fdisk -l

Code:
Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 5 will be corrected by w(rite)

Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x80faef89

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1        1217     9772032   27  Unknown
/dev/sda2   *        1217        7898    53667621    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3            7899       60801   424943347+   5  Extended

Disk /dev/sdb: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table

Disk /dev/sdc: 16.0 GB, 16034824192 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1949 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x001076e4

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *           1        1950    15658976+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)

root@host--#: lspci


Code:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port (rev 0c)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HBM (ICH8M-E) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 82801 SATA RAID Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
08:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller
08:03.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
08:03.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)

root@host--#: cat /proc/diskstats | grep 8

Code:
   
   1       8 ram8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
   8       0 sda 127 1028 4452 3800 0 0 0 0 0 2092 3800
   8       1 sda1 33 171 1632 96 0 0 0 0 0 96 96
   8       2 sda2 36 761 1606 348 0 0 0 0 0 244 348
   8       3 sda3 3 0 6 20 0 0 0 0 0 20 20
   8      16 sdb 50 82 1056 2712 0 0 0 0 0 1604 2712
  11       0 sr0 3456 56168 238544 229732 0 0 0 0 0 172444 229732
   8      32 sdc 256 16212 17056 2112 2 0 2 8 0 1708 2120
   8      33 sdc1 249 16192 16840 2088 2 0 2 8 0 1692 2096


and here is something else...
I took a picture of the manual partitioning part of ubuntu and my partitions in vista and uploaded them.
you can download them easily by clicking on this link ( It will redirect you to another page and you can download it by typing the given security code and pressing download key)

Download Now 218 KB ( It's NOT a direct link )


I hope it helps you to solve my problems...

Thanks a lot

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