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Old 01-23-2014, 10:16 PM   #1
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Angry Installed Linux Mint 14 but HDD will not boot


I installed Linux Mint 14 from an SD card, on a 500gb SATA HDD.I turned off the computer, took out the SD card reader and switched on again. It will not boot. Just a blank screen. I tried with an 320gb EIDE HDD. Same result. I blamed it on the BIOS limitations, so I used a 40gb EIDE HDD. Still will not boot. Linux Mint appears to be installed, because if I try to install again, I am warned that LM14 Nadia is installed and which option do I choose.If I reinstall the Windows XP 160gb SATA HDD, it boots right up. Can you please advise me what I am doing wrong. Thanks
 
Old 01-23-2014, 10:47 PM   #2
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Some information about your hardware would be really helpful.

I have an old Pentium 4 Asus that if I run certain hard drive types (SATA) on it does this because of RAID so you may need to check your RAID settings. It never had any difficulty with Windows but with Ubuntu it was always a pain until I got the RAID settings correct.

You do not mention GRUB at all in your post, did it install onto the hard drive you installed LM14 onto?
 
Old 01-23-2014, 11:18 PM   #3
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Another thing that you may want to have a look at is your installation media. If Grub was installed, then I would think there may be a problem with the install itself. You may try reloading Mint onto a usb stick (using lili) or live CD/DVD then reloading the OS. You stated that the Bios settings checkout ..that would be the only other thing I can think of that may be an issue.

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Old 01-24-2014, 02:49 AM   #4
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Hi,

Perhaps trying with a reliable flash drive could be more promising.

Hence it doesn't seem like the hard drives are the issue but as usual there may be other unforeseen circumstances such as your BIOS as you mentioned. However not too often.

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Old 01-24-2014, 04:12 AM   #5
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I cannot tell if grub is loaded as the screen is blank, but grub is in the boot folder on the SD card.
The computer boots into LM14 from the SD card. No problem (except a bit slow)
This is an acquired 'second' computer.
MB is an Asus P5GC/MX1333
CPU Intel Dual Core E2140 @ 1600MHz
RAM 1024 Mb
BIOS American Megatrends Inc v02.53
BIOS does not detect a Primary IDE Master when the 160gb SATA HDD is installed and the SATA HDD is detected as
a third IDE Master, but enclosed in brackets. Enhanced Mode Support is 'on'.
Cannot find reference to RAID anywhere.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:29 AM   #6
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I have found Mint to be flaky as far as installation. I just installed Mint 16 Mate on an old Dell Pentium 4 machine. It booted once. I installed available updates and it never booted again. I installed it again. This time I would get to the grub menu but the PC did not respond to the keyboard nor boot after the grub timeout.

I then installed Ubuntu 12.04 on the same drive - a dual boot situation. I could now boot into Mint. Again after installing updates I could not boot. The PC would be stuck at the grub menu. I did notice that the updates did include a grub update. I suspect that there is something hosed with grub as installed by Mint.

That said, I did try reinstalling grub from the Mint live flash drive. No dice. I will try reinstalling grub from the Ubuntu live media and will report back.

Ken

Update: That did not work. Sorry. Thought it might have pointed to a possible work around.

One other thought - which I had yesterday when this first happened but have not tested - I created the installation flash drive using the Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu 12.04. Perhaps it mixed some things on the flash drive. I will try installing from a Mint DVD this time and see what happens.

Update 2: Installed from a DVD. First reboot after install worked. Logged in and rebooted. Did NOT work - nothing. Powered off and back on - stuck at grub screen.

Sorry I cannot offer a fix. I was experimenting with Mint to access the Mate desktop. Turns out I can add the Mate desktop to Ubuntu 12.04 so Mint has slipped down my priority list.

Last edited by taylorkh; 01-24-2014 at 09:06 AM.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 02:20 PM   #7
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Thank you.
I am puzzled. What actually is 'grub' and what is it supposed to do.
If grub is necessary to boot and LM14 boots from the SD card then the grub file on the card works.
While LM14 is up and running and the install option is chosen, does the fact that grub is already running
prevent grub from being copied to the HDD. It seems to me that there must be many LM installations, so do
they all have this problem ?
Regards
 
Old 01-24-2014, 05:56 PM   #8
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What actually is 'grub' and what is it supposed to do.
Grub is software created by some modest programmers in the 1990's and GRUB stand for: GRand Unified Booloader and it used to boot operating systems.

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If grub is necessary to boot and LM14 boots from the SD card then the grub file on the card works
No, not necessarily. You don't indicate how you put Mint on the SD card but, generally downloaded iso files of Mint and other Linux distributions on a CD/DVD/flash or SD card use isolinux or syslinux to boot.

When you installed Mint to the hard drive, did you leave the defaults to install the Grub bootloader to the master boot record. The installation includes an option for 'Device for bootloader installation' and the default is /dev/sda which would put it in the mbr and the Mint partition.

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If I reinstall the Windows XP 160gb SATA HDD, it boots right up. Can you please advise me what I am doing wrong.
You mention installing Mint on three separate hard drives then mention windows on a fourth hard drive. What exactly is your setup? What was your setup when you installed Mint? Where was the 160GB drive with windows? Was it attached during the installation?

You might try going to the site below, reading the instructions in the link in the Description box then downloading and running the bootinfoscript and posting the output here, it is a results.txt file and you will need to run it from Linux. Use the Mint on the SD Card.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 07:37 PM   #9
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Mint will run off your SD card but not off your hard drive. How is Mint running off your SD card? is it running as a Live session or is it running as in installed OS?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 07:56 PM   #10
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I assume that it ia a 'live' session
I bought LM14 from OSDisc.com, on a 8Gb SD card. It has 6.35 Gb free space.

From the txt file on the card ...
Universal USB Installer is an easy to use installer script I wrote using NSIS (Nullsoft Scriptable Install System) to automate the creation of a bootable USB device containing the Live Linux Distribution of your choice.

How Universal USB Installer (UUI) WORKS:
This tool utilizes Syslinux to make the drive bootable, and in some cases chainloads to Grub4DOS and uses a corresponding menu.lst. A syslinux.cfg file or text.cfg file may also used in some cases.
7-zip is used to extract the files from the ISO or Zip to the USB device. The compressed filesystem of the Live Linux distribution being placed on the device is not altered in any way.
DD for Windows (dd.exe) and Mke2fs are used to make a casper-rw persistent file for storing changes. The casper persistent feature was created by Ubuntu and can in theory be used on any Ubuntu based remix.

_______________________________________________

I removed the 160Gb SATA HDD with Windows XP and installed the other three in succession, with only one drive installed each time.
I booted LM14 from the SD card and it loaded. Then I chose the 'install LM' option which was on-screen with a CD icon. I do not want a dual boot system, which is why I have a second (older) computer. I have an Intel Quad core with 4Gb RAM and Windows 7 Professional as my primary machine, but I want to learn about Linux. I understood from reading that Linux Mint was best for that purpose. Look like a steep learning curve.
Regards.

P.S. Site below ?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:11 PM   #11
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Syslinux boots disks and cards so that you can install or use a Live session.

Grub is different to Syslinux in that Grub is meant for HDDs or SDDs and it gives the user the option of booting to the kernel and things like memtest if they are part of the installation.

When you try to install from the SD card what screens do you get? Have you seen on the internet any tutorials on how to install it?

The text file you put up is just how they got Mint onto the SD card so it would boot into the Live session.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:25 PM   #12
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It seems to install. It asks a couple questions ... who are you ... where are you ... Log on automatically or use a password ... and then the progress bar across the bottom of the screen. I cannot remember now if it said LM was installed, but there was no error message.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 11:44 PM   #13
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It told you to reboot? and to remove the disc?

I still think it is a Grub problem, but without you being able to tell us what happened with the install with any real certainty every answer you'll get will be guesswork.
 
Old 01-25-2014, 04:06 AM   #14
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Ok ... I did the install again. After the progress bar finishes, the 'Who are you' menu displays with all the information previously entered. The continue button is highlighted, but there is no response from either the mouse or the keyboard. I can go back to 'Keyboard layout' and 'Where are you' but nothing else happens. It appears that installation did not happen. It does not say to reboot or to remove the installation disc.I tried to boot from the HDD, but all I get is a blinking cursor. The screen does not say 'no signal'
 
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It appears that installation did not happen.
Or complete properly. Is there a particular reason you bought this and didn't download it yourself? That would be what I'd do and then dd it onto a USB flash drive.
 
  


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