LinuxQuestions.org
Support LQ: Use code LQ3 and save $3 on Domain Registration
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 09-30-2006, 06:33 PM   #1
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Rep: Reputation: 0
installation decisions...


hi m a nubie to linux installation....altough i hav been using it in our labs...
my sys:
amd athlon 64 bit 3000 +
512 mb ram
hitachi hdd 80 gb sata
seagate 80 gb pata
win xp + sp2 installed in hitachi 80 gb sata hdd.
ecs elite rs480m motherboard.(onboard ati gfx shared 64 mb memory)

i need to install fc5 and already hav downloaded fc5 dvd iso and burned. i want to install linux in the sata hdd. from reading articles on linux distros...i hav come to know that fedora fc 5 is compatible with sata hdds.
sata hdd contains 2 partitions.( cwindows partition ( 20 gb ) and a data partition (d(56 gb).
i'll be allocating 8 gb for fc5.

1: should i create a ext2 partiton before hand using norton partition magic 8, between c: and d: and then proceed with the linux installation.

2: should i go with the default partition manager of the fc5 installation. will it let me do the above....

secondly i 'll be needing a dual boot system .so should i let the fc5 installation erase my current windows MBR and create its own MBR. or
skip the creation of the new MBR by the fc5 and create my own MBR using bootmagic included within noton partition magic.

in case i let fc5 create a new MBR then later on when i remove the linux how would i restore my original MBR for windows.

THIRDLY ... i was thinking of allocating 256 MB to /boot partition
1 GB to /swap partition and 6.5 GB to root partition. would it be ok if i do this.....i'll be mostly using office productivity suites and software development....i wont be creating a web server , hence no need for apache.

some advice would be really help ful.

TIA
regards
manmay
 
Old 09-30-2006, 07:27 PM   #2
bigjohn
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jun 2002
Location: UK .
Distribution: *buntu (usually Kubuntu)
Posts: 2,682
Blog Entries: 9

Rep: Reputation: 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by manmay
hi m a nubie to linux installation....altough i hav been using it in our labs...
my sys:
amd athlon 64 bit 3000 +
512 mb ram
hitachi hdd 80 gb sata
seagate 80 gb pata
win xp + sp2 installed in hitachi 80 gb sata hdd.
ecs elite rs480m motherboard.(onboard ati gfx shared 64 mb memory)

i need to install fc5 and already hav downloaded fc5 dvd iso and burned. i want to install linux in the sata hdd. from reading articles on linux distros...i hav come to know that fedora fc 5 is compatible with sata hdds.
sata hdd contains 2 partitions.( cwindows partition ( 20 gb ) and a data partition (d(56 gb).
i'll be allocating 8 gb for fc5.

1: should i create a ext2 partiton before hand using norton partition magic 8, between c: and d: and then proceed with the linux installation.

2: should i go with the default partition manager of the fc5 installation. will it let me do the above....

secondly i 'll be needing a dual boot system .so should i let the fc5 installation erase my current windows MBR and create its own MBR. or
skip the creation of the new MBR by the fc5 and create my own MBR using bootmagic included within noton partition magic.

in case i let fc5 create a new MBR then later on when i remove the linux how would i restore my original MBR for windows.

THIRDLY ... i was thinking of allocating 256 MB to /boot partition
1 GB to /swap partition and 6.5 GB to root partition. would it be ok if i do this.....i'll be mostly using office productivity suites and software development....i wont be creating a web server , hence no need for apache.

some advice would be really help ful.

TIA
regards
manmay
Well I don't know much about fedora period - I've never had any success from any of the deadrat offerings.

But, while I always dual booted win XP and linux on a single hdd, the people at my LUG seem to feel that it's better to keep XP on one hard drive and linux on another, if possible.

With that in mind, it may be better if you "scrunched" up the stuff on one hdd and put all the windows stuff on it, leaving the other hdd for the linux install.

I suspect that you don't actually need a /boot with the fc5. I only retain one, because of when I had gentoo installed (their default was /boot, / and /swap).

I should think that the fc5 contains a partitioning tool to let you create any partitioning for whatever it is that you want to do, but as you have partition magic then it may be better to use it to do the windows stuff, just leave the space for linux unused/empty - the fc5 should detect it and suggest that you put the linux install there (in theory - I don't know how they "fair" when it comes to partition creation/management).

Also, I don't know how it might manage with the partitioning because it used to be that you could only have 4 primary partitions on a hard drive, and you had to make one of them "extended" to get round that.

Additionally, how well fc5 will handle read/write to an NTFS partition I can't say. I know lots of progress has been made in writing to NTFS, but it was previously usual to have a seperate FAT32 partition made from windows, then when the system (linux that is) is installed it should see the FAT32 partition and be able to mount it so that it could read/write to it as well - it was a handy way to pass stuff between a linux install and a concurrent windows install.

My partitions are set so that there is a seperate /home i.e. /boot, /swap, / and /home. The idea being, that if I want to install a different distro I can just install it over the top of whatever I'm using currently and as long as I tell the installer that I want to use the same /home, but not format it, I still have all the personal data retained. The system just installs to the / partition, and the /boot if I tell it to use that as well.

MBR's? Well, if you have a windows install disc then restoring the MBR is basic, you just boot the disc and "rescue" the system into a CLI window and I think the command is fixmbr - though you should google for that to confirm as there is a different command for earlier windows installs/mbr's and I can't recall which command does which version.

It may be better to put the linux on the PATA drive as it's definitely gonna work - whatever you settle on, make sure you back up any data that you want to keep first and then run the windows defrag facility - then meddle with the partitions, then when you're happy do the linux install.

Sorry, that lots a bit thin on actual answers, but it might have some suggestions to point you in the right direction.

regards

john

Last edited by bigjohn; 09-30-2006 at 07:30 PM.
 
Old 09-30-2006, 10:32 PM   #3
IBall
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: Ubuntu, Debian, Various using VMWare
Posts: 2,088

Rep: Reputation: 62
Welcome to LQ, manmay!

That partitioning scheme looks fine. Make sure that root is ext3 not ext2. Ext3 is the successor to ext2, ans is more reliable in the event of a power failure. It is probably a good idea to resize your partitions using partition magic though.

I would backup the data in your data partition, and convert it to FAT32. Linux can read and write this with no problem. Tell the installer to use this partition, and mount it at /data. Then you can share your data between Linux and Windows.

Fedora will install the GRUB bootloader to the MBR. The installer will detect Windows with no problem.

I hope this helps
--Ian
 
Old 10-01-2006, 12:51 AM   #4
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
thanks ian and john for your valuable suggestions....i'll proceed with the installation today ....
thanks again,
manmay
 
Old 10-01-2006, 12:54 AM   #5
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
one more thing ...is it possible to access files nad folders in the linux partitions(ext2 or ext3) from windows....
 
Old 10-01-2006, 12:58 AM   #6
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
i probably shouldnt install linux on the pata hdd as this hdd is frequently removed from the system for the purpose of carry data to other places....(i dont hav a external hDD ;-).
 
Old 10-01-2006, 01:15 AM   #7
btmiller
Senior Member
 
Registered: May 2004
Location: In the DC 'burbs
Distribution: Arch, Scientific Linux, Debian, Ubuntu
Posts: 4,275

Rep: Reputation: 370Reputation: 370Reputation: 370Reputation: 370
Quote:
Originally Posted by manmay
one more thing ...is it possible to access files nad folders in the linux partitions(ext2 or ext3) from windows....
There is a program called explore2fs that allows you read only access to your Linux ext3 partitions from Windows.
 
Old 10-01-2006, 01:28 AM   #8
IBall
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: Ubuntu, Debian, Various using VMWare
Posts: 2,088

Rep: Reputation: 62
You probably wont have problems installing to the SATA drive.

To answer your question about reading ext2 or ext3 from Windows. Natively no. There are, I believe, drivers that will do this quite well. Search google for these.

If you need to share data between Linux and Windows, see my suggestion above about making your data partition FAT32. Windows and Linux can both read and write FAT32 with no issues.

--Ian

PS: I wouldn't remove the PATA drive too often. The pins are delicate, and this will probably end in tears . If you need to move data frequently, consider a USB drive, or get an external HDD.
 
Old 10-01-2006, 10:10 AM   #9
dogged28
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Lubbock, Tx.
Distribution: Ubuntu Dapper Drake
Posts: 184

Rep: Reputation: 30
just an fyi, if you have an extra drive lying around, purchase an external enclosure and you'll have your external drive. i use one all the time and have had no problem. i use several drives in it to clone with or back up with etc.
 
Old 10-02-2006, 04:53 AM   #10
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
nother question ...where shouldi install the boot record....c drive (windows drive) or \boot partition.
 
Old 10-02-2006, 04:55 AM   #11
manmay
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 6

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
i know abt the usb drive.....m low on cash....neway i generally need to remove the hDD like once a month or less...
 
Old 10-02-2006, 07:56 AM   #12
IBall
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: Ubuntu, Debian, Various using VMWare
Posts: 2,088

Rep: Reputation: 62
Some people say a /boot partition is a good idea.

I have never had any problems installing GRUB to the MBR on the first hard drive. This should be the default choice, and is what I would go for.

--Ian
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Decisions, decisions... davatar General 4 03-25-2005 02:24 PM
help req with newbie decisions ! mutley Linux - Newbie 16 11-24-2004 01:33 PM
OS Decisions froZenX Linux - Newbie 28 11-18-2003 03:22 PM
Which to install first? Decisions, decisions... dfctve_end_user Linux - General 7 03-17-2003 11:46 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:54 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration