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Old 09-17-2005, 10:49 AM   #1
bwingate
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Install questions: wireless, iPod and antivirus


OK - I'm in the process of getting rid of WinXP in the house. I have a laptop set up as a test machine to make sure that everything SWMBO expects from a PC can be done. For her needs, I think she'll be set. I need two more bits before I'll be content to install on our main desktop.

I'm running Fedora Core 4 on a Toshiba laptop with built-in wireless.

1) I got the wireless up and running fine after downloading some firmware, but it doesn't load up as activated. I have to go to the wireless settings and activate it. How do I get this set up to work automatically right from boot up?

2) I want to run iTunes/iPod from Linux. Right now it looks like it is a bit of a hassle, but the real kicker is iTunes. Is there a simple solution or is the best way to use WINE or the CrossOver Office program?

3) Is there a need to run antivirus software on Linux?

I have to say, Linux has really progress from the days of 50-floppy installs that were a crapshoot. XWindows came right up on a laptop.

Thanks,
Bruce.

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Old 09-17-2005, 01:00 PM   #2
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Let me give this a shot.

As for the network working at boot time you have two options.
1. You can write a script yourself that will execute at boot time. This is only for those experienced with programming; however, it takes just a small working knowledge of any language to write a script. Search the forums for how, there is tons of information.
2. If you are using ndiswrapper for your wireless, simply add the work ndiswrapper to the bottom of /etc/module That will load ndiswrapper module at boot time.

As for the itunes. I'm not sure how NECESSARY that software is. amoraK does an EXCELLENT job doing what iTunes does and might be a sufficient substitute. You may want to explore that option. Otherwise, cxoffice works through wine to run windows software. I've used it with mixed results. If you are familiar with wine, then go ahead and use it. Otherwise, the new Xandros 3.0 debian based distro does offer a 30 day free trial of cxoffice.

Lastly, most antivirus you find for linux are just to handle incoming and outgoing mail. And those mostly just protect windows users from you sending them a virus. Most (I say most because Linspire is not this way) distros require you to type in a "root" or as windows would say "administrator" password before anything can install itself in your machine. By default, NEVER log in as the root user unless you have a reason to be there. Additionally, not as many viruses exist simply because writers want to make the biggest influence as possible if they are writing a virus (i.e. they will infect windows users). Lastly, you will notice that the opensource community is pretty tight knit and to infect linux would be an internet death sentence for the writer. The last people you want to tick off are a bunch of engineers and computer geeks that probably know more than you do about the virus you wrote.

I hope this helps!
 
Old 09-17-2005, 04:21 PM   #3
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Pagaporcristo --

Thanks -- I'm not sure if I'm using ndiswrapper or not. I just used yum to get the firmware for my wireless "card" (its built-in), and then everything started working. Time for a little investigation. I'm trying to avoid scripting if I can - I have plenty of experience, I just want to see if Linux is a "replacement" for WinXP. Goofy personal thing - I don't script to get XP to work, so I don't want to script to get Linux to work.

iTunes: I really want it for the music store and library management on my iPod. I don't listen to music on the PC. Is there a link for more info on amorak? I googled and the signal to noise ratio wasn't favorable.

Thanks.
Bruce.
 
Old 09-17-2005, 05:51 PM   #4
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Ok.. well.. lets start with the good news. Here is the link for amoraK

http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?set_...view_photo.php

That said, I'm assuming if you're using YUM then you are also using a Red Hat or Fedora Core. Although these are great distros, they are not yet at the point of replacing Windows XP (scripting etc.) Linspire is a GREAT new distribution but they also charge $50 for their product. They were giving away free copies for a while and you can probably google a link to the torrent. Also, for $20/year you can subcribe to their "Click-N-Run" service which gives you access to thousands of software apps that install even easier than Windows. Keep in mind that if you don't mind using a package manager (YAST- for SuSE, YUM- Red Hat/Fedora, Synaptic- Debian based distros), etc then you can do the same thing. CNR just makes getting the necessary libraries very easy. Linspire will boot and load everything with no issues though so that is probably your best shot.

Aditionally, you would know if you were using ndiswrapper (at least I don't think that YUM will install a driver wrapper without you knowing it). So that doesn't seem to be an option. If Linspire doesn't float your boat try Xandros 3.0. I was able to easily get wireless working using ndiswrapper (already preinstalled with Xandros) and a simple adding to the /etc/module file made it load at startup.

As for iTunes, you will have to use wine or cxoffice for that one. Lsongs (installed with Linspire) is also a good substitute by the way. I must make one rhetorical point. Although I totally support anyone changing to Linux, it will require you to use different software in some cases. If you're not willing to sacrifice that, then perhaps it is not time for the switch yet. I don't want you to get frustrated after you get everything installed and then realize that things just don't perform like they should. For instance, wine is still very buggy and you totally lose one HUGE pulling factor of Linux- its stability. If you need help setting up ndiswrapper, google it or search the forum, there is TONS out there on it.

Cheers!
 
Old 09-17-2005, 05:53 PM   #5
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one more thing, I don't use an iPod but I'm almost certain that it is supported by amoraK. Good luck!
 
Old 09-17-2005, 06:25 PM   #6
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For iTunes music store...

I haven't tried this myself, but you may want to investigate this:

http://nanocrew.net/software/sharpmusique/
 
Old 09-17-2005, 08:15 PM   #7
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Pagaporcristo --

Thanks for the amorak link. And I am using Fedora Core 4

re wireless: it works just fine, except that it starts out disabled and I have to enable it. Its not too big a hassle, but its just an extra step that really shouldn't have to be done.

Aysiu - Thanks for the link to Sharp Musique.

Just for a little background, I've been poking around Linux probably since '95, maybe as early as '92. I had it running in terminal mode on a 386, and it was fine for a unix clone, but not as a Windows replacement (3.1). It was good to practice and build unix skill though. I've installed Linux probably 3 other times before this, and its gotten better each time. Its really close for desktop replacement. It'll work for me because most of the glitches I can either figure out or ask you guys. My goal is to get Linux set up on our main desktop for basic word processing, e-mail and Internet use.

I remember running an early version of Windows off of 2 5.25" floppies, and before that just having the DOS prompt for company. I've watched the industry and the software grow - its been fun. Definitely not a computer newbie - just learning the contours of Linux right now.

I'm not expecting all my Windows apps to have been ported to Linux, but there's a couple that I know are going to be a little harder to replace.

Thanks,
Bruce.
 
Old 09-18-2005, 01:28 AM   #8
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Bruce,

I'm just glad to see that at least you can see that there are other choices besides Gate'sSoft. Welcome to the team! I'm sure we'll be picking your brain too from time to time.

Cheers!
 
Old 09-21-2005, 11:33 AM   #9
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I solved one of my own questions, so I figured I would share: To get wireless to be active on boot up. In the networking section, there is, amazingly enough, an "active on startup" check box. Checked it, rebooted, and it worked and continues to work.

Sorry I don't have the direct path to get there - I'm away from my Linux box right now.

Bruce.
 
Old 10-14-2005, 01:47 PM   #10
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It sounds like you're new to linux. I'm no linux expert, but I've been using it for a good number of years. I've never been a huge fan of Fedora. For new users, Mandriva or SuSE might be better options. Mandriva is really simple to use, however, personally, I don't like it very much. I like SuSE a lot, it's simple to use when I'm feeling lazy, yet it's still very versitile for when you learn more about linux. It doesn't restrict you as much like Mandriva. It also appears to have very simple configuration for wireless, however, I just use wired instead (wireless does not get a very good signal in my dorm).

As for the iPod issue... Amorak does work with iPods.
 
  


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