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Old 12-31-2015, 08:27 AM   #1
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if too slow at login, computer turns unresponsive with a black screen


I recently installed Mint 17.3 (Rosa) with MATE on a T60 laptop.

The installation as such went without any notable obstacles.

However:

If I return to the computer after a while, then it has become impossible to log into through the terminal. It doesn't react on mouse movements - nor on any keys on the keyboard.

In fact, this occurs already if I hesitate slightly more than 60 seconds before I login.

(sshd is installed, and it is no problems to log in that way. But I do not know HOW to change the relevant parameters, or WHERE to find them, so in order to use the keyboard or see something on the screen, a shutdown or reboot is what remains for me.)

This all seems very much as an obvious bug to me. But being inexperienced and forgetful, I do not really know where to search for a solution or (even less) where to file a bug report.

I've tried with the search function here at LQ, and also with Google search too... but I do not find anything useful.
...alternatively: I do not understand enough to judge what to look after.

I've changed the (default) screensaver from "Blank screen" to "Floating GNOME", and put the time to 30 minutes for when the computer is to regard as idle, but that didn't solve this problem.

I did also uncheck the alternative "Dim display when idle" in the Power Management Preferences.

The other parameters there are:
Put computer to sleep when... NEVER
When laptop lid is closed: BLANK SCREEN
Put display to sleep when... NEVER

So, now the question are:
  • What to do?
  • What possible workarounds should I try next?
  • Where do I check if anyone already has filed a bug report?
 
Old 12-31-2015, 01:02 PM   #2
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It looks more and more as if this is a real bug. Possibly with the MDM.

A workaround has been to switch on "Enable Timed Login".

But it's really no preferable solution.
Not in the long run, at least.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 04:05 AM   #3
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It looks more and more as if this is a real bug. Possibly with the MDM.
...or maybe more precisely with mdmwebkit.c.

When I'd found out that "mdm" seemed involved, it was easier to track down the culprit:
Code:
$ sudo -s
# find /{var,etc,usr,home} -type f -exec ls -lha {} \; 2>/dev/null | grep mdm

# find /{var,etc,usr,home} -type f -mmin -1200  -exec ls -lha {} \; 2>/dev/null | grep mdm
And suspicions pointed in the direction of /usr/share/mdm/distro.conf



There, I tried to remove one line at a time, starting with the first line (i.e. I commented out the first lines):
Code:
# [daemon]
# Greeter=/usr/lib/mdm/mdmwebkit
And I had luck!
The old greeter is of course dull, but working.

However, as it says in other configuration files, /etc/mdm/mdm.conf should probably be the preferred place for a patch instead.
Code:
[daemon]
AutomaticLoginEnable=false
TimedLoginEnable=false

Greeter=/usr/lib/mdm/mdmgreeter
With the chage above, the problem is solved.
If the line with "Greeter=..." is removed, then the problem is back.

Now, I can't go back in time and compare with the previous installed version of Mint and MATE - the disk is formatted.
But the file distro.conf looks similar to the one on my other laptop (although Cinnamon). Something may have changed between these two versions - most likely in the mdmwebkit
  • 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014
  • 3.19.0-32-generic #37~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 22 09:37:25 UTC 2015
 
Old 01-01-2016, 05:20 AM   #4
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is your system running smoothly otherwise?

i'm not sure if a fullblown cinnamon desktop is the right choice for this matured thinkpad.

i don't think the mate version uses mdm? or at least not the webkit greeter?

also, is your RAM increased to at least 2, if not 4GB?
 
Old 01-01-2016, 06:16 AM   #5
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@onodoho, I thought he was using MATE on this, which would be just about right for this laptop.

@Manganus, excellent work tracing things down.
This thread seems to indicate you can either upgrade libwebkitgtk or just use the fix you did and switch greeters. (I don't know if you are a native English speaker, but your English is very good.)

Obviously, seeing as it is a known issue, I think you don't need to report a bug.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 06:25 AM   #6
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Hi ondoho!
I'm happy to see a response.
(Yes, I KNOW about the New Years Eve and festivities and stuff...)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ondoho View Post
is your system running smoothly otherwise?
Well, ...it's maybe too early to say, yet. I switched from Mint 17.0 (???) with MATE to 17.3 with MATE just a few days ago...
...but yes, it seems so.

Quote:
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i'm not sure if a fullblown cinnamon desktop is the right choice for this matured thinkpad.
Agree! That was the initial reason for me to try out MATE on that mashine.
(Also Xfce is tested, but it didn't make that much of a difference - and I felt more at home with MATE.)

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Originally Posted by ondoho View Post
i don't think the mate version uses mdm? or at least not the webkit greeter?
It seems as if it does.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ondoho View Post
also, is your RAM increased to at least 2, if not 4GB?
Nope.
Delivered with 2 GB.

Code:
$ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:        2062392 kB
MemFree:         1404844 kB
MemAvailable:    1688012 kB
Buffers:           80232 kB
Cached:           336380 kB
SwapCached:            0 kB
Active:           395384 kB
Inactive:         213200 kB

I didn't do much after installing Mint 17.3 [MATE].
I installed sshd, and updated some locals. And installed one server program, that I intend to run on this mashine.
...and then I copied default-user.svg, since that was an error reported in syslog, but that didn't help in THIS particular case.
Code:
$ cd /usr/share/mdm/html-themes/Mint-X/img
$ sudo cp default-user.svg default_user.svg

Last edited by Manganus; 01-01-2016 at 06:36 AM. Reason: stupid tipping error
 
Old 01-01-2016, 06:27 AM   #7
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Obviously, seeing as it is a known issue, I think you don't need to report a bug.
Thanks a lot, fellow!

It was exactly this kind of answer I was hoping for.

Then I think the issue is solved?
 
Old 06-22-2017, 06:51 AM   #8
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Talking

Quote:
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is your system running smoothly otherwise?

i'm not sure if a fullblown cinnamon desktop is the right choice for this (T60) matured thinkpad.
Yes, the matured Thinkpad does well. It's chiefly needed for "ssh -XC" and Chromium (32 bits).


In fact, I had to return to this thread in order to apply the same remedy to a much younger machine.
(T540, 4 cpu, 16 GB)
Code:
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 20BFS2A300 v: ThinkPad T540p
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 20BFS2A300 v: 0B98401 WIN Bios: LENOVO v: GMET66WW (2.14 ) date: 07/01/2014
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-4300M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 3199 MHz 2: 3199 MHz 3: 3199 MHz 4: 3199 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.9
But I do find it remarkable that this (obvious!) bug remains in distro after distro, although I guess we are a quite small minority, "suffering" from it.

Last edited by Manganus; 06-22-2017 at 07:00 AM. Reason: Graphics driver, etc
 
Old 06-22-2017, 07:34 AM   #9
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If it's of any interest, the soon-to-be-released Mint 18.2 has replaced MDM with LightDM, which may well resolve the problem (I read somewhere that one poster said it had, but I can't find that post again).

https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_sonya_mate_whatsnew.php
 
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