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Old 02-20-2011, 11:23 AM   #1
leftoverjared
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I need help on a few matters please


Hello, I know I dont post often, this may even be my first post , and for that I apologize, I am just like that with forums. But if anyone could spare any of their time to read my post and maybe possible help with a solution it would be greatly appreciated.

My first problem is this: I had this fedora 9 dvd full dvd, but just recently it cracked due to a dumb mistake by me. I have the os installed on one hard drive/pc at the moment.


Fedora 9 is one of the os's I feel most comfortable with, and I have been desperately trying to locate another download on the net, but the only download I can find that seems to stem from redhat/fedora itself wont let me download it when I click the link. So what I would like to know is if it is possible and if so how can I create a boot install cd from the installed os on my hard drive?


My second problem is locating a version of a linux.iso that offers at least if not only a sh user installation. I have a mandrake linux 3/3 cds but I can only find 2 of the 3 cds . I also want to create a live version of the sh because I want to use it on a laptop that the hard drive went bad on.

if anyone could help that would be great.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 11:38 AM   #2
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If you want to download the latest version of Fedora (Fedora 14) simple go here.

I don't know if you can make install CD/DVD from your already insatlled linux system. I think if you have Fedora 9 installed then you should upgrade to the latest version anyway.

As I've said above if you want "linux.iso", then go to the above link. Since you need some kind of Live environment too, best solution for you to download Fedora 14 Live CD and again the download link is right there on the page.

Regarding your missing/corrupt media, don't use it if possible.

Last but not least, always be ready to read a little documentaion/install guide and of course online forums... that always helps.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 11:46 AM   #3
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Fedora 9 is 6 versions out of date. Newer versions of Fedora have pretty much the same user interface as Fedora 9 (with the exception of maybe Fedora 15), so I don't see why you can't download a newer Fedora ISO, write it to a CD (since it's a Live CD, *not* a Live DVD) or USB Flash drive (if it's Fedora 12 or higher), and then try it and see how you like it.

If you're curious as to how to write a Fedora 12+ (in this case Fedora 14, the latest stable version) ISO to a USB flash drive:

First, determine your USB drive's block device:

Code:
su -c "fdisk -l"
Then, once that device file is determined (which should be easy):

Code:
su -c "dd if=Fedora-14-i686-Live-Desktop.iso of=/dev/sdX" #where /dev/sdX is the block device file (determined by fdisk -l) of your USB flash drive
Then, you just boot from the USB drive. To do that, go into the BIOS (by pressing either the Delete or F2 key at the computer manufacturer's screen; F1 on HP computers), select the "Boot" tab (or submenu), and change the "First Boot Device" to your USB flash drive. Then, press F10 and reboot.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 12:22 PM   #4
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If you need a live environment, Fedora is not suitable: the live CD gives very little software. I know it's very different, but have a look at Puppy. You can run that off a CD, that loads completely into memory for speed, and use a USB stick for your files: no HD required!
 
Old 02-21-2011, 02:20 AM   #5
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Thank you david I appreciate your comment as well as everyone else, but when I read the other posts I cant help but think to myself "i thought this a website dedicated to helping the linux communities and in all respect to linux, which to me has the very capability to represent the freedom to operate your operating system in the way which you want it to be operated, not some lolnoob forum that the first three immediate posts in reply to my first post, which consisted of a not very put together scramble of pleads for help, are condescending remarks towards something of that I, a n00b-linux user, am in need in the assistance of understanding. And since this is a website, which from my immediate impression represents to me a beautiful thought which is knowing what the buttons you click are made out of, I just dont understand how you can ride over my problems and say what im trying to do is a waste of time because the operating system is not the same model as your corvette? I call that blasphemy towards what I like to look at linux as, which is people willing to explain to you what exactly changes in all of those core pieces of data arranged in a certain order on your hard drive that mades fedora fedora, and in understanding that it also becomes obvious why when inserting the fedora 14 live.iso it can do easily update a certain brand of files that makes my fedora 9 desktop become exactly the same as fedora 19, because the only difference besides text files is a change in an order of graphics.



if someone can please please help me please.

It would also be appreciated if someone could point me in the direction of a good tutorial on how to setup a network where I have all of my hard drive space on one computer, and the ram on another. and then for the other three computers in my room, what would be the logic to follow to setup a boot from flopy disks that directs them to the other two computers for their resources/os?
 
Old 02-21-2011, 12:39 PM   #6
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I'm sorry you felt you were being condescended to. What we were trying to do was to point out that what you are trying to do was not likely to be very satisfactory for you in the long term. Please remember we aren't a paid support team! I liked Fedora 10, but I've had to replace it with Fedora 14 because of a couple of situations where my software was inadequate for a particular task and what's available won't install on my old system
 
Old 02-22-2011, 02:53 AM   #7
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The problem with Fedora is that each version has a short lifespan, and after its lifespan, it becomes unsupported. This is by design, so when you choose Fedora, that may be a problem. When the distro becomes unsupported, it usually also becomes hard to find, and repositories that carry other software probably won't have packages that are compatible with outdated versions. Such is the curse of using Fedora. May I suggest something like CentSO 5.x, which will be quite similar to Fedora, and will be supported for a number of years.
--- rod.
 
Old 02-25-2011, 11:20 AM   #8
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Ah thank you for your responses and your concern. But my main question has not to do with fedora 9 specifically but i guess more of a general question, so I should have left the specifics for my question out.


Let me reiterate,

Is it possible to make a bootable (not live) install cd of the current linux os that I have installed on my system?
 
Old 02-25-2011, 01:01 PM   #9
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Here are a couple of links that look like what you are after: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creatin...x-bootable-cd/ and http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/ISOLINUX.

A Linux install that runs from the CD is often times referred to as a Live CD, by the way (in response to your comment that you aren't looking for one).

I too read your comment about using Fedora 9 and admittedly cringed at the idea of using a system that far out of date. As was mentioned, beyond a certain point the versions go unsupported. Consequently, security patches and vulnerability fixes are not applied. If you put this machine on the Internet and a bad-guy finds your machine, he will be able to tell what version of any internet facing applications you are running. There are databases of known exploits on older versions that even automate the process of taking control of systems via these known methods. While the choice is yours, this is the risk you face when running on Fedora 9. I am not trying to lecture you on the subject, just explaining the details of why you are getting this response.

Last edited by Noway2; 02-25-2011 at 01:03 PM. Reason: added live cd comment
 
Old 02-25-2011, 01:06 PM   #10
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My second problem is locating a version of a linux.iso that offers at least if not only a sh user installation. I have a mandrake linux 3/3 cds but I can only find 2 of the 3 cds . I also want to create a live version of the sh because I want to use it on a laptop that the hard drive went bad on.
I would suggest getting another hdd, they're relatively inexpensive, even a used hdd would work. They're not that hard to install either.
 
Old 02-25-2011, 04:40 PM   #11
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Ah noway, thank you so much kind sir. I will check out your links immediately after this post to, if its okay with you that is, let you know if this solves my problem, fixes, or creates a new one . And I understand and appreciate your very very valid point, but in order to stay in the direction that I want to go, I have to keep my main focus on my main focus. I am aware of the issue of keeping your defenses updated, and keeping them updated in a correct and safe manner. As I have not been capable of doing this in an orderly fashion, I have came to notice that the difference in which my computer operates between when I use fedora 9, or when I have used fedora 14 in the past on a couple of short-term occasions, is not very significant. But however there is quite a significant difference in the way which my machine is capable of operating when using say fedora core 5 (which if ANYONE could help me find a download of it would be appreciated GREATLY, the copy that I had from a school book is at a persons house who will not give it back if I ask for it ) . In noticing this, I have focused my main attention as to what about the data that was changed between versions 5/6/7/8/9 all the way up to 15 that could allow such a ladder of levels in which my machine's performance is affected. Thats also why I am so infatuated with linux so far, because if I myself can indeed change my own source code on which that I run, then if I become smart enough I can indeed update my own self, without having to rely on that link/connection to the internet, to update. If that makes any sense.



And thank you kind person eddy, while that is a very good and probably more sensible idea, the problem that I have ran into with my lap top has also inspired me to just do the same with all my computers. Combine all of the hard drives with power of RAID that I am recently learning about, and if possible all of my ram (if not extra ram to each pc), and give each one a more equal distribution. I was inspired by my old high school that recieved low funds, so instead of upgrading each pc, I dont know what they did but they just got some server type ordeal and used remote desktop for like 100 old early ninety's pc's.

Thank you.
 
Old 02-25-2011, 04:58 PM   #12
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Thank you very kindly noway2
 
  


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